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Patriots Mankins Hurt Players Stance With Holdout
By: Ian Logue

Logan Mankins may be a plaintiff against the NFL in the current labor negotiations, but it appears the league plans on using him to make sure the players remain locked out....

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PatsWickedPissah

NFL playing hardball citing Mankins' skipping 2010 camps yet making the Pro Bowl as an example why no irreparable harm is currently being done to players as the NFLPA* claims. Welker's flippant remark about 'Let's do lockouts every spring' also goes against the Trade Association's case.

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brady199

Do we need anymore evidence that the owners are Evil?

PatsWickedPissah

Say what? Owners in this specific instance are simply citing player actions that contradict the Trade Assn claims of "irreparable harm" from the lockout as it currently stands.

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Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded — here and there, now and then — are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty.
This is known as "bad luck." RAH

brady199

Oh, don't mind me, I just have an agenda.

Deus Irae

These are the same owners who want clauses in the CBA about players holding out and missing camp, because camp is so important.

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Gwedd

Although I initially cited both players and owners equally as being at fault, the longer this drags on, the more I side with the owners.

PatsWickedPissah

Yes but in this instance it's the Players claiming irreparable harm to them.
It's ironic that the lawsuit is Brady et. al. and it's countered by the NFL citing Patriots players' actions in response. Too funny.

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Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded — here and there, now and then — are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty.
This is known as "bad luck." RAH

Triumph

Good

The owners want a CBA so the NFL can get back to business. A permenent lock out will force to the players back to the mediation table in due time.

Fencer

Unless I'm missing something, the lockout is the common-sense fair outcome, because it's the one most like a strike.

The NFL has offered the players a pay package. The players can either accept it or, through collective action, not come to work. They're choosing the latter.

That's how we do things in this country, when the workers can pull it off.

Most relevant labor law deals with:

• Ensuring the workers can pull it off.
• Carving out exceptions in which they are not allowed to pull it off.

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