Opinion: Jonathan Kraft not representing the Krafts well during labor battle - New England Patriots Forums - PatsFans.com Patriots Fan Messageboard
NEWS
|
FORUM
|
PHOTOS
|
VIDEOS
|
FULL STATS DATABASE
|
PODCAST
|
RUMOR MILL
Get Social With PatsFans.com
Early Roster Projection
Ryan's Journey Started Early
POST DRAFT PODCAST

Go Back   New England Patriots Forums - PatsFans.com Patriots Fan Messageboard > PatsFans.com Forums > PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum
Forgot Password? Join PatsFans.com!
Register Blogs FAQ Members List Calendar Arcade Mark Forums Read Chat Room

WELCOME TO OUR FORUM HERE AT PATSFANS.COM!
ARE YOU NEW HERE? NOT LOGGED IN? PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO REGISTER FOR AN ACCOUNT AND LOGIN TO REMOVE THIS WINDOW

Welcome to PatsFans.com. Do you have an account? If not - please take a moment to register for our forum and experience a much smoother experience with fewer ads, along with no longer having to see this notification window. Also learn about how you can receive a free Patriots T-Shirt from the Patriots Official ProShop by CLICKING HERE. Please enjoy your stay here, and Go Pats!

Like Tree17Likes

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 05-03-2011, 12:47 PM   #1
Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal
 
BradyManny's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 9,298
Default Opinion: Jonathan Kraft not representing the Krafts well during labor battle

I forgot to bring this up when I heard him on WEEI last week, but Jonathan Kraft - and this isn't the first time - desperately needs to take a lesson from his father and be careful about what he says in the media.

He is way too brash and arrogant in the media and lacks all the eloquence and level-headedness of his father.

Howe hit upon it this week:

Patriots President Jonathan Kraft Disregards Major Details in Placing Blame on Players for Lockout

In a pre-draft bit on WEEI last week, Jonathan took digs at the players and insinuated they didn't want to negotiate and that they were delaying the process by their actions with the lawsuit and decertifying the NFLPA. He sounded incredulous that the players had even done what they had done, and effectively blamed this entire lockout on them.

His tone was shockingly arrogant and his point was derisive - obviously, the players were looking for leverage, and had a right to look for leverage.

When they were at the negotiating table before, the owners had all the leverage. They believed they were getting their "lockout insurance" $$ and they believed they could, in fact, lockout the players.

Both of those things are in question now, thanks to the players actions.

The players actions have been confirmed to be the right course of action by both Doty and Nelson - and they have won themselves leverage accordingly. It remains to be seen if the 8th Circuit will give the players a slam dunk, or reverse Nelson's decision, but until then - Jonathan Kraft has no right to question the players decision to try and win some leverage in order to negotiate under fair pretenses - not the completely unlevel playing field the owners had set-up for them to start this process.

The larger point I want to make is that this isn't the first time I thought Jonathan Kraft was representing his family and the team in a questionable manner in his dealings with the media. Of all the people high up in the organization, he's actually one of the more likely to give someone fodder or a soundbyte that would not seem Belichick-approved.

During this entire players vs. union battle, Robert Kraft has handled everything with class - and been a figure that both sides seem to look forward to coming to the table. In spite of the fact that the message he is delivering is often no different than his son's, he does it in a way that is not divisive, but rather gives hope that the labor battle will be solved. I hope he manages to rein his son in.

Last edited by BradyManny; 05-03-2011 at 12:47 PM..
BradyManny is offline  
FEATURED ADVERTISEMENT
DONATE TO PATSFANS.COM
RECEIVE A FREE PATS T-SHIRT AND SAVE 15% OFF WHEN YOU BUY FROM THE OFFICIAL PROSHOP!

Free T-Shirt & Save 15% Off!
Like Our Site? Please help support our site and server costs by DONATING TO PATSFANS.COM and receive a FREE PATRIOTS T-SHIRT and SAVE 15% off EVERY purchase you make from PatriotsProShop.com. You'll also receive added benefits to your account
including Removing All Ads During Your Experience Here At Our Forum.

NEEDED YEARLY SITE DONATIONS: 345 | CURRENT # OF SUBSCRIBED SUPPORTERS: 98

Updated 07/08/11

Help Us Reach Our Goal!

Old 05-03-2011, 12:52 PM   #2
PatsFans.com Veteran
 

Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 17,143
Default Re: Opinion: Jonathan Kraft not representing the Krafts well during labor battle

I submit a nomination for a special award to anyone who thinks that the Kraft's aren't on the same page. Public statements are for effect. Johnathan does not just shoot off his mouth and say things that are not what the organization want out there.
Ford Prefect, Gwedd and Synovia like this.
mgteich is offline  
Old 05-03-2011, 12:53 PM   #3
Third String But Playing on Special Teams
 

Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 918
Default Re: Opinion: Jonathan Kraft not representing the Krafts well during labor battle

Agree completely on that interview but disagree that he has always represented them in this way. Ordway and Holley allowed him to get away with spewing complete garbage, the interview was a farce.
townes is offline  
Old 05-03-2011, 12:54 PM   #4
PatsFans.com Retired Jersey Club
 
Deus Irae's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 35,447
Default Re: Opinion: Jonathan Kraft not representing the Krafts well during labor battle

I heard that interview. It was not Ordway's finest hour.
__________________
"The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane."
- Marcus Aurelius
Deus Irae is offline  
Old 05-03-2011, 12:54 PM   #5
Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal
 
BradyManny's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 9,298
Default Re: Opinion: Jonathan Kraft not representing the Krafts well during labor battle

Quote:
Originally Posted by mgteich View Post
Johnathan does not just shoot off his mouth and say things that are not what the organization want out there.
He has before. Everytime I hear him on 98.5 or WEEI he's good for a soundbyte or two that you have to think no one else in the organization would get away with.

Case in point - in an interview with DA before the start of last year, he laughed off the Jets and basically said they weren't a threat. I'm fine with the average caller into the station saying that - but the team President shouldn't say things like that.
TheComeback likes this.
BradyManny is offline  
Old 05-03-2011, 12:56 PM   #6
Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal
 
BradyManny's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 9,298
Default Re: Opinion: Jonathan Kraft not representing the Krafts well during labor battle

Quote:
Originally Posted by Deus Irae View Post
I heard that interview. It was not Ordway's finest hour.
In defense of your radio station preference, I have no doubt that there's no one on 98.5 - save maybe for the guys on in the morning - that would have the guts to say otherwise to him. Even Felger - who I still think is a much, much better host then Ordway - isn't going to go up against Kraft's kid.

That said - if anyone, I expected one of Ordway/Holley to have the cache to stand up against him. After all, they've had Vrabel on and sucked up to him. It's hard to play it both ways.

Last edited by BradyManny; 05-03-2011 at 12:57 PM..
BradyManny is offline  
Old 05-03-2011, 01:02 PM   #7
Third String But Playing on Special Teams
 

Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 918
Default Re: Opinion: Jonathan Kraft not representing the Krafts well during labor battle

Jon Kraft was a prime architect of the CBA the owners opted out of, how he gets through that interview without being grilled on "what was so wrong" with it is beyond me. It should have been the first question and he should have been made to answer it before moving on to anything else. Ordway is and has been on the owners side from the outset and is essentially a shill for them so it's not surprising he played pattycake with Kraft.
townes is offline  
Old 05-03-2011, 01:02 PM   #8
Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract
 
robertweathers's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Central MA by way of the great state of New Hampshire
Posts: 7,377
Default Re: Opinion: Jonathan Kraft not representing the Krafts well during labor battle

Quote:
Originally Posted by BradyManny View Post
I forgot to bring this up when I heard him on WEEI last week, but Jonathan Kraft - and this isn't the first time - desperately needs to take a lesson from his father and be careful about what he says in the media.

He is way too brash and arrogant in the media and lacks all the eloquence and level-headedness of his father.

Howe hit upon it this week:

Patriots President Jonathan Kraft Disregards Major Details in Placing Blame on Players for Lockout

In a pre-draft bit on WEEI last week, Jonathan took digs at the players and insinuated they didn't want to negotiate and that they were delaying the process by their actions with the lawsuit and decertifying the NFLPA. He sounded incredulous that the players had even done what they had done, and effectively blamed this entire lockout on them.

His tone was shockingly arrogant and his point was derisive - obviously, the players were looking for leverage, and had a right to look for leverage.

When they were at the negotiating table before, the owners had all the leverage. They believed they were getting their "lockout insurance" $$ and they believed they could, in fact, lockout the players.

Both of those things are in question now, thanks to the players actions.

The players actions have been confirmed to be the right course of action by both Doty and Nelson - and they have won themselves leverage accordingly. It remains to be seen if the 8th Circuit will give the players a slam dunk, or reverse Nelson's decision, but until then - Jonathan Kraft has no right to question the players decision to try and win some leverage in order to negotiate under fair pretenses - not the completely unlevel playing field the owners had set-up for them to start this process.

The larger point I want to make is that this isn't the first time I thought Jonathan Kraft was representing his family and the team in a questionable manner in his dealings with the media. Of all the people high up in the organization, he's actually one of the more likely to give someone fodder or a soundbyte that would not seem Belichick-approved.

During this entire players vs. union battle, Robert Kraft has handled everything with class - and been a figure that both sides seem to look forward to coming to the table. In spite of the fact that the message he is delivering is often no different than his son's, he does it in a way that is not divisive, but rather gives hope that the labor battle will be solved. I hope he manages to rein his son in.
I will say this. While dad seems more content to take the high road on certain matters, Jonathan has no problem speaking his mind. Sometimes thats good. Sometimes thats not so good.

But to say that Bob and Jonathan aren't in complete alignment on the labor issue is a bit off-base IMO.
Ford Prefect likes this.
__________________
“I'm not really concerned about the other 31 teams,” - Bill Belichick

"If a player has talent and doesn't succeed, that means that they either don't want to be successful or I have failed as a coach." - Bill Belichick
robertweathers is offline  
Old 05-03-2011, 01:05 PM   #9
PatsFans.com Retired Jersey Club
 
Deus Irae's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 35,447
Default Re: Opinion: Jonathan Kraft not representing the Krafts well during labor battle

Quote:
Originally Posted by BradyManny View Post
In defense of your radio station preference, I have no doubt that there's no one on 98.5 - save maybe for the guys on in the morning - that would have the guts to say otherwise to him. Even Felger - who I still think is a much, much better host then Ordway - isn't going to go up against Kraft's kid.

That said - if anyone, I expected one of Ordway/Holley to have the cache to stand up against him. After all, they've had Vrabel on and sucked up to him. It's hard to play it both ways.
I never expect hard questions from Holley to the local football guys. He doesn't want to lose his access there. Ordway, on the other hand, needs to be more than just a doormat.
__________________
"The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane."
- Marcus Aurelius
Deus Irae is offline  
Old 05-03-2011, 01:05 PM   #10
Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal
 
BradyManny's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 9,298
Default Re: Opinion: Jonathan Kraft not representing the Krafts well during labor battle

Quote:
Originally Posted by robertweathers View Post
I will say this. While dad seems more content to take the high road on certain matters, Jonathan has no problem speaking his mind. Sometimes thats good. Sometimes thats not so good.

But to say that Bob and Jonathan aren't in complete alignment on the labor issue is a bit off-base IMO.
Like I said - the message is the same, but it's how you deliver it.

It might be refreshing for media members that Jonathan does not worry about taking the high-road, but it's not the Patriot way to speak your mind without worrying about the consequences - Belichick, [Robert] Kraft, Brady, these guys always take the high-road.

Heck, the team's 3rd best player was suspended for the first series of a playoff game for not following suit. Jonathan has to be accountable for what he says - no matter what the platform is.

Last edited by BradyManny; 05-03-2011 at 01:06 PM..
BradyManny is offline  
Closed Thread

Bookmarks

Sponsored Links



Thread Tools
Display Modes


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
(OPINION) Pats to open (OPINION) 2008 season (OPINION) against Pitt at home (OPINION) National Sports Advisors PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum 16 01-20-2008 10:16 PM
Bob, Myra and Jonathan Kraft Danny Boy® PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum 34 09-11-2007 10:24 AM
jOnathan Kraft on NEST NOW! PATSNUTme PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum 9 02-28-2006 10:21 AM
OT: Do the Krafts that own the pats have anything to do with Kraft foods? NovaScotiaPatsFan PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum 17 11-14-2005 11:20 AM



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:43 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2

© Copyright 2000-2012. PatsFans.com Is a Partner of USA TODAY Sports Digital Properties.
The opinions posted in this forum do not necessarily reflect the opinions of our staff at PatsFans.com or USA Today.
We are not affiliated with the New England Patriots™ or the NFL™. The Photo Used In the header was taken by Ian Logue.

This site is owned and operated by I&K Internet Design Enterprises, LLC