Football Outsiders blueprint to beat the Pats - Page 3 - New England Patriots Forums

Mooch · 01-10-2008, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Oswlek

As soon as NE switched to a two TE set, the defense would counter.

They would run, but they would still need to do it out of the 3/4 WR sets.

Let 'em counter. You could then go spread formation and still win one-on-one matchups with Watson and Faulk against slower DBs and LBs.

Gimmick defense is NOT the way to go against the Pats. IMO, you go with a standard 4-3 and play a lot of "angry man" at the line and take your chances on a missed O-Line assignment. All this exotic gameplanning is just choosing a different poison.

sebman2112 · 01-10-2008, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mooch

Let 'em counter. You could then go spread formation and still win one-on-one matchups with Watson and Faulk against slower DBs and LBs.

Gimmick defense is NOT the way to go against the Pats. IMO, you go with a standard 4-3 and play a lot of "angry man" at the line and take your chances on a missed O-Line assignment. All this exotic gameplanning is just choosing a different poison.

Exactly, and Brady's hit Moss on some bombs out of single receiver and two TE sets, as well.

PatsFanSince74 · 01-10-2008, 01:12 PM

An interesting read and daunting to an amateur like me. But, I'm just gonna suppose that there's a chance, just a chance mind you, that there isn't anything in the article that Bill Belichick hasn't already though about from four different angles.

***NEPatriot*** · 01-10-2008, 01:15 PM

we are going to see 2 more blueprints after this sat.

makewayhomer · 01-10-2008, 01:16 PM

I think people are being a little sensitive here.

the point of the article isn't "how to shut out the Pats" it's "how to slow them down and hold them to around 20".

lots of the ideas in the article could work, but obv. nothing is foolproof

makewayhomer · 01-10-2008, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by sebman2112

He's acting like you can just discount their rushing attack. While it is obvious that NE's passing attack is their strength, they can run the ball too, and if you're putting LB's one-one-one against guys like Mankins, their going to get chewed up. Really, it's the type of defense that would allow Maroney to get into the second level, and I think every Patriots fan realizes that's a very bad idea for opposing teams, as his open field ability is very good. I would continue running out of single back formations though.

the Jags - or any team - would be thrilled with us running the ball 25-30 times. even if we average 6 yards a carry, that's still better than what Brady averages on an attempt.

flasox27 · 01-10-2008, 01:30 PM

If Belichick has read the article which I assume he has, he has already planned a counter attack. The one thing Belichick isn't is stagnant.

sebman2112 · 01-10-2008, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by makewayhomer

the Jags - or any team - would be thrilled with us running the ball 25-30 times. even if we average 6 yards a carry, that's still better than what Brady averages on an attempt.

That might sound good to you, but if you're D-line consist of three linemen (at least one could be out of positon), and one LB (also playing out of positon), do you really think their going to fair well against Mankins, Light, Koppen, Neal, and Kaczur? Some of those defensive schemes are just asking to be gashed by the run, and NE has a fast RB who's good in space. I'm willing to bet you'd see at least three or four 20-30 yard runs if a defense was to use that base against NE.

makewayhomer · 01-10-2008, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by sebman2112

That might sound good to you, but if you're D-line consist of three linemen (at least one could be out of positon), and one LB (also playing out of positon), do you really think their going to fair well against Mankins, Light, Koppen, Neal, and Kaczur? Some of those defensive schemes are just asking to be gashed by the run, and NE has a fast RB who's good in space. I'm willing to bet you'd see at least three or four 20-30 yard runs if a defense was to use that base against NE.

no, they won't fair well. but no defense has faired well vs this team, except the Colts (with Freeney).

the question is if they could hold the Pats to 20ish instead of high 30's by forcing them to run more and/or limiting big plays

sebman2112 · 01-10-2008, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by makewayhomer

no, they won't fair well. but no defense has faired well vs this team, except the Colts (with Freeney).

the question is if they could hold the Pats to 20ish instead of high 30's by forcing them to run more and/or limiting big plays

I know that's the idea. What I'm saying is you'd be getting gashed by the run, and could give up large chunks of yardage, so the potential for NE scoring a lot of points would still exist.