Are the Pats too predictable at line of scrimmage? - New England Patriots Forums

Snarf · 01-21-2011, 07:53 PM

Something that kept coming back to me when I watched the horrible game was that whenever Brady pointed to a player at the line of scrimmage, identifying them as a rusher or whatever, that player almost ALWAYS dropped back into coverage.

It's almost like the Jets defense changed their defense based on what Brady was calling at the line and who he was pointing at.

So my question is this... is Brady too transparent at the line of scrimmage? As a defense, if the QB is pointing at you warning that you're about to pass rush, the last thing you should do is pass rush. Therefore, a defense could actually use all that pointing and coverage identifying against you.

Perhaps Brady and the Pats need to rethink what they do at the line of scrimmage to better hide what it is they have identified?

chicowalker · 01-21-2011, 08:01 PM

All QBs do that, don't they? They need to make sure everybody knows who they potentially will need to pick up.

The defense can certainly then try to switch things up, but that also increases the chances of a blown assignment on defense.

Walpole Pats Fan · 01-21-2011, 08:03 PM

I thought that he was pointing out the Mike?

Snarf · 01-21-2011, 08:05 PM

Well yes, QBs signal protections.

But do the Pats perhaps use this information to act in an overly predictable manner that could be exploited by the defense?

Perhaps Rexy watched the tape, saw that the O line acted some specific way if Brady identified something, and then told his D to do something different if Brady set in motion those protections.

May be completely wrong... just a thought. It just seemed to me that whatever Brady was identifying was exactly opposite to what the Jets did. That implies that the Jets somehow knew how the Pats were about to react.

capetide · 01-21-2011, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Walpole Pats Fan

I thought that he was pointing out the Mike?

Yes. He is just identifying the middle linebacker, like he has always done, and like most all QB's do. He was tipping off anything.

***AndyJohnson*** · 01-21-2011, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Snarf

Something that kept coming back to me when I watched the horrible game was that whenever Brady pointed to a player at the line of scrimmage, identifying them as a rusher or whatever, that player almost ALWAYS dropped back into coverage.

It's almost like the Jets defense changed their defense based on what Brady was calling at the line and who he was pointing at.

So my question is this... is Brady too transparent at the line of scrimmage? As a defense, if the QB is pointing at you warning that you're about to pass rush, the last thing you should do is pass rush. Therefore, a defense could actually use all that pointing and coverage identifying against you.

Perhaps Brady and the Pats need to rethink what they do at the line of scrimmage to better hide what it is they have identified?

Wouldn't understanding why he is pointing be critical to your argument?

Speedy Welker · 01-21-2011, 10:07 PM

There are no true deep threat WR on this team as many people here have argued.... So that mean there are no deep threat for other team to worry about, and that will leave all the pressure at the line of scrimmage..and to prevent Brady from getting sack the short routes needed to be open....If they are covered like what the Jets did....there are nothing Brady can do but get sacked. So that turned the Patriots into a predictable 1 dimensional offense. The plays below say it all.

If you watched the game, this is where they lost the game: 7 minutes and 40 SEC Time of Possession and came away with NOTHING!!!
They did not made a single deep pass what so ever to get a PI perhaps, but just eaten up the clock on the short running & passing game. Whoever don't think the Patriots need a true deep threat WR, they need to go to the doctor and get their eyes check!!

1st-10, NE18 12:55 D. Woodhead rushed to the left for 4 yard gain
2nd-6, NE22 12:20 D. Woodhead rushed to the left for 2 yard gain. D. Woodhead fumbled. L. Mankins recovered fumble

3rd-4, NE27 11:28 T. Brady passed to W. Welker down the middle for 8 yard gain

1st-10, NE35 10:50 T. Brady incomplete pass down the middle
2nd-10, NE35 10:45 D. Woodhead rushed to the left for 4 yard gain
3rd-6, NE39 10:03 T. Brady passed to D. Branch to the left for 8 yard gain
1st-10, NE47 9:28 B. Green-Ellis rushed to the left for 3 yard gain
2nd-7, 50 8:47 D. Woodhead rushed up the middle for 8 yard gain
1st-10, NYJ42 8:23 D. Woodhead rushed to the right for 7 yard gain
2nd-3, NYJ35 7:40 New England committed 5 yard penalty
2nd-8, NYJ40 7:24 T. Brady passed to W. Welker to the left for 9 yard gain
1st-10, NYJ31 6:49 D. Woodhead rushed to the right for no gain
2nd-10, NYJ31 6:09 T. Brady sacked by S. Pouha
3rd-13, NYJ34 5:30 T. Brady incomplete pass to the right
4th-13, NYJ34 5:15 T. Brady incomplete pass to the left

***AndyJohnson*** · 01-21-2011, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Speedy Welker

There are no true deep threat WR on this team as many people here have argued.... So that mean there are no deep threat for other team to worry about, and that will leave all the pressure at the line of scrimmage..and to prevent Brady from getting sack the short routes needed to be open....If they are covered like what the Jets did....there are nothing Brady can do but get sacked. So that turned the Patriots into a predictable 1 dimensional offense. The plays below say it all.

If you watched the game, this is where they lost the game: 7 minutes and 40 SEC Time of Possession and came away with NOTHING!!!
They did not made a single deep pass what so ever to get a PI perhaps, but just eaten up the clock on the short running & passing game. Whoever don't think the Patriots need a true deep threat WR, they need to go to the doctor and get their eyes check!!

1st-10, NE18 12:55 D. Woodhead rushed to the left for 4 yard gain
2nd-6, NE22 12:20 D. Woodhead rushed to the left for 2 yard gain. D. Woodhead fumbled. L. Mankins recovered fumble

3rd-4, NE27 11:28 T. Brady passed to W. Welker down the middle for 8 yard gain

1st-10, NE35 10:50 T. Brady incomplete pass down the middle
2nd-10, NE35 10:45 D. Woodhead rushed to the left for 4 yard gain
3rd-6, NE39 10:03 T. Brady passed to D. Branch to the left for 8 yard gain
1st-10, NE47 9:28 B. Green-Ellis rushed to the left for 3 yard gain
2nd-7, 50 8:47 D. Woodhead rushed up the middle for 8 yard gain
1st-10, NYJ42 8:23 D. Woodhead rushed to the right for 7 yard gain
2nd-3, NYJ35 7:40 New England committed 5 yard penalty
2nd-8, NYJ40 7:24 T. Brady passed to W. Welker to the left for 9 yard gain
1st-10, NYJ31 6:49 D. Woodhead rushed to the right for no gain
2nd-10, NYJ31 6:09 T. Brady sacked by S. Pouha
3rd-13, NYJ34 5:30 T. Brady incomplete pass to the right
4th-13, NYJ34 5:15 T. Brady incomplete pass to the left

So, being the only team to ever score over 30 points in 8 staright games is nothing, and not throwing deep on one drive is proof of why the best offense in the NFL that had a subpar day against a good defense is impotent without a WR who catches 4-5 deep passes in a season?

brady199 · 01-21-2011, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by AndyJohnson

So, being the only team to ever score over 30 points in 8 staright games is nothing, and not throwing deep on one drive is proof of why the best offense in the NFL that had a subpar day against a good defense is impotent without a WR who catches 4-5 deep passes in a season?

Thats what I was gonna say. Just ask the teams that we torched all year if we were to predictable.

Also the GB Packers used to be predictable, they had like 3 diffent running plays, but no one could stop them.

billdog3484 · 01-21-2011, 10:33 PM

NO!!! the defense just SUCKS