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Old 01-03-2008, 01:59 PM   #1
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After the season, do you expect the Patriots to petition Roger Goodell to review and modify his penalty for video taping?

Many players have petitioned Goodell and Tagliabue, and in most cases the Penalty was reduced. With the precedents established, and on the books for the CAP infractions by the 49ers and Broncos, leading to a forfeit of a third round pick.

Do you think they will do so? Should they even do so?

If they did, might Goodell reduce the penalty toconform to precedent and give them their First Rounder back, and take a third, like precedent would suggest? Would he reduce the fine?

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Old 01-03-2008, 02:01 PM   #2
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After the season, do you expect the Patriots to petition Roger Goodell to review and modify his penalty for video taping?

Many players have petitioned Goodell and Tagliabue, and in most cases the Penalty was reduced. With the precedents established, and on the books for the CAP infractions by the 49ers and Broncos, leading to a forfeit of a third round pick.

Do you think they will do so? Should they even do so?

If they did, might Goodell reduce the penalty toconform to precedent and give them their First Rounder back, and take a third, like precedent would suggest? Would he reduce the fine?
I think they should. It seems foolish to just bend over and take it w/o trying to put up a defense at all.

Nonetheless, I doubt they will.
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No, I'm sure Kraft and BB want Spygate to go away. There's no need to reopen an old wound. Goodell's not going to give a first rounder back...That's just not going to happen.

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What could possibly be their argument? With players, there's a union involved so they have to get a slightly more fair shake. Why would Goodell even consider changing his mind? It's not as if new evidence absolving them has come to light. Sorry, but they're still guilty.
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Dont' you have to do that within a short time after the ruling comes down?
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What could possibly be their argument? With players, there's a union involved so they have to get a slightly more fair shake. Why would Goodell even consider changing his mind? It's not as if new evidence absolving them has come to light. Sorry, but they're still guilty.
While they are guilty of a rule infraction, have kinda thought all along that the tapes provided to the NFL by the Pats showed wide spread innapropriate use of camera's throughout the league.. that is why they destroyed them so quickly. Cannot wait until the day comes when we hear their side of the story.. there is more to this than we know.

Goodell has backed himself into a corner in his rush to judgement, and cannot reverse himself as he will be viewed as weak on the coaches/owners..
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Doesn't seem likely that any appeal they could muster would have solid footing because the evidence has all been destroyed, it would be a matter of arguing over the validity of his interpretation. As we know from internet boards, people don't often just straight up admit they were wrong unless there is at least some irrefutable evidence that proves they were wrong.
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not for me; matter closed and i think also Mr Kraft and BB have no intention to 're-open it'
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While they are guilty of a rule infraction
Yup, and they were punished for said rule infraction. You're right that Goodell has put himself into a corner on this - if it happens with another team he'll have no choice but to come down, but if you think about it, anything he could have done would have set some precedent and "backed him into a corner". The punishment was harsh, but I don't see anything unfrair about it. Obviously other teams do it, but we got caught, and the punishment is the penalty for getting caught.
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Doesn't seem likely that any appeal they could muster would have solid footing because the evidence has all been destroyed, it would be a matter of arguing over the validity of his interpretation. As we know from internet boards, people don't often just straight up admit they were wrong unless there is at least some irrefutable evidence that proves they were wrong.
Trolls don't though. And we don't know if Goodell is a Troll or not.
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