Players not caving on 18-game schedule, major reason for potential lockout - Page 2 - New England Patriots Forums

cupofjoe1962 · 01-11-2011, 06:14 PM

You guys made a lot of good points for the 16 game season.

As a season ticket holder, I hate buying 2 preseason games, so
I do not have a problem with the 18 game regular season with 2 buy weeks.

We would then have the superbowl on the Sunday before
Presidents day and most people would have the day after the superbowl
off as a holiday.

If there is a lock out it will only be a matter of time before the
players cave. Quite a few of the players are big spenders and if they start missing checks, I am sure they will re-think their position.

Remember the replacement players?
Week after week more veterans crossed the line and joined the scabs
until the union caved and the owners won.

fxkane · 01-11-2011, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by blackglass3

Good for the players. This whole "we care about player health" just SCREAMS hypocracy when they are trying to ram an 18 game schedule through. Screw the billionaire owners.

If they get locked out, so be it. I can live with a couple of seasons without football. As an added bonus, a prolonged lockout would most likely get Goodell fired, so huzzah!

So true. $$$$$$$$$ I hate greed and obvious hypocrisy. Am with the players all the way down the line on this.

NovaScotiaPatsFan · 01-11-2011, 06:24 PM

Can we start a Recall Goodell movement or something? This guy is killing the game...

upstater1 · 01-11-2011, 06:33 PM

People have this idea that you have to constantly grow revenue at a rate that far outpaces inflation.

You don't.

There are dozens of humongous global corporations that are doing the same things they have done for decades.

They don't need to grow revenues anymore. They have enough money. Heck, cutting a preseason game would reduce everyone's profits and everyone's salary--by a little. But the league would be so much better for it.

This is really the business world mentality where the owners want to increase the value of their franchises.

coolworx · 01-11-2011, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Snake Eyes

If the owners want more money let them create an alternate Spring/Summer professional league with 12 games.

Throw the red shirts out there... let the fans vote one player per team to go to the active roster.

I'd be totally into a league of spring chicks fighting for rooster status.

upstater1 · 01-11-2011, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by cupofjoe1962

Remember the replacement players?
Week after week more veterans crossed the line and joined the scabs
until the union caved and the owners won.

That was a strike. This is a lockout. Big difference.

Ice_Ice_Brady · 01-11-2011, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by coolworx

Screw you, ya freakin' slavedriving f8ck.

Ohhh and stick those season tix up your ass.
You're not a fan of the players, you're a French Dandy circa 1789.

Better hold on to your head.

Hold on a second here. These players aren't exactly labor workers trying to put a loaf of bread on the table. This is millionaires versus billionaires. And frankly, the only reason the players are making so much money is because of the advertising/ marketing/ hype driven machine that is funded by the NFL. The entire market and societal need for these guys' skills is a make-believe story that wouldn't exist if there weren't stadiums, fans, and television contracts. This is not a real labor dispute; this is completely different.

moosekill · 01-11-2011, 06:51 PM

What the hell are you talking about?

A bunch of overpaid whiny multimillionaires complaining about swapping 2 preseason games for 2 regular season games, with a bunch of whiny multibillionaires . Then a bunch of fans with no clue whatsoever complaining that it will in some unknown way hurt the game.

What is really happening, for all of you people with no clue about negotiations, is the owners want to expand to 18 games and do it for the minimum cost. The players have no problem playing 18 games they just want to get the maximum payment for doing it. Its called negotiations. The unions want to get expanded rosters so they can have more members.

Why do they want to expand the season? To make more money for everyone involved, its kind of simple.

The problem the players have is there are hundreds of players waiting in the wings to replace each and every one of them. Players who are almost as good as they are. Plus, their careers are so incredibly short that for most, missing one year is like 20% of their career. It is real tough for them to keep from caving.

coolworx · 01-11-2011, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Ice_Ice_Brady

Hold on a second here. These players aren't exactly labor workers trying to put a loaf of bread on the table. This is millionaires versus billionaires. And frankly, the only reason the players are making so much money is because of the advertising/ marketing/ hype driven machine that is funded by the NFL. The entire market and societal need for these guys' skills is a make-believe story that wouldn't exist if there weren't stadiums, fans, and television contracts. This is not a real labor dispute; this is completely different.

Most aren't millionares.
Most have 3 seasons of relative obscurity, at best.

And as much as the hype machine may be "driven" by the NFL, make NO MISTAKE, that it's the effort by the players that puts meat on that bone.

I think the owners should make a return of no more than 7% - and everything else should be divied up by the WORKERS.

coolworx · 01-11-2011, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by moosekill

A bunch of overpaid whiny multimillionaires

Those whiny (somewhat) millionaires are the reason you and I are wasting our Tuesday night posting on this obscure sports board.

It certainly isn't the paunchiness of Billionaire Bob Kraft that has us anticipating Sunday.