mgcolby

This is in response to Arr (I believe) in another thread but I figured I would share it with the masses and the best way to do that was with its own thread.

Manning of 2004 played 9 of his 15 games in a dome and all in good weather.

Brady in his 15 games has played in high winds in Baltimore, Sleet/Snow/Rain and high winds against the Jets.

Manning played a total of six games outdoors and only one of those six games were played outdoors during the months of November and December (Chicago Nov 21st, Weather 43 and partly cloudy). He did not play in one game affected by the weather.

Manning was on the sidelines for a total of 27:45 minutes during the first 15 games of the season and played a game in OT. The majority of that (16:15) came against Detroit. Brady has been on the sideline for 45:55 minutes in the first 15 games, that doesn't include the majority of the 2nd half against Miami back in October where he played for a total of 6:23 minutes. Does anyone disagree that Brady could have thrown at least one more TD in that extra 18:10 minutes? Heck, you could even add in the extra 2:47 minutes Manning received for the overtime against SD. That would give Brady a total of 20:57.

That means Brady has until the 9:03 mark of the 2nd quarter against the Giants to throw 49 TD's in the same amount of actual gametime as Manning. And he did that playing the final seven games of the season in the northeast, four at home and three on the road in Buffalo, Baltimore and New York.

Then you could add in other little tidbits like the Colts had a total of 10 rushing TD's for the entire season and the Patriots have 15 after 15 games.

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Tommysgirl

Call me crazy, but I have a feeling the Colt fan mentality will find a way to dispute this and call you a liar (save a few of them who have basic math skills).

Thanks for doing all this work.

jman924

The new arguement would be number of pass attempts.
Brady's got more. It is easier to throw bombs down the field with fewer attempts when you play inside though.

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mgcolby

Maybe, but how many of those attempts were checkdowns and short "move the chains" passes?

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richpats

Attempts isn't as relevant as the number of possessions taken to throw 49 TD's. That would be worth researching, but not today.

DarrylS

Manning should have an asterisk after his record...

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FootballFan85

Actually pass attempts is a key stat to look at here as the fact that this year TB has 536 attempts vs PMs 497 in his record year. TB will undoubtedly throw at least 10 more attempts. So expect TB to finish out the year with about 50 more attempts in LESS time on the field as youve pointed out. Meaning PM threw more TDs in less attempts by this point in the season. This could show a team favouring the pass more or it could show that Manning let Edgerin James run up the field and then put the ball in the air for the TD. However, I think anyway you look at these stats youre splitting hairs.

I.e., one could easily argue that since PM was scoring TDs at a rate of 1 per 10.1 pass attempts, had he thrown as many as Brady by the end of Week 16, hed have an extra 3.86 TDs. We'll round that down and call it 3, making the record 52. This is complete speculation and an argument that does not hold up, but it just goes to show trying to break down stats to show an edge here or there can easily be turned both ways and people can easily mutilate stats to show their point. Its no different coming from either side.

To me the big breaker on this one wouldve been Bradys INT's. If Brady hadve been more willing to scan the field in the last 3 or 4 games instead of trying to force balls into spots they shouldnt be in trying to get Moss and himself the records, I think he'd both have the TD record by the end of the season, and likely with 5 interceptions. THAT to me would be what really puts his mark on the record. Edging Peyton by 1 (which I believe is what will happen) or 2 is good, but if he did it with half the picks, that wouldve really been the cherry on top.

Joker

8 games in a climate controlled dome

1 each in fair weather cities Jax,Tenn and Houston

add in the Polian Rules and the slanted refs in the dome and he should of had SEVENTY touchdown passes

richpats

So if Brady has 52 TD's after tomorrow, does that qualify as a "cherry"?

BradyToMoss

Great stuff, great work. Don't forget about that frigid Sunday night game in Buffalo where Tommy absolutely lit them up !!!