Jerry Rice on Moss and Brady - Page 4 - New England Patriots Forums

shakadave · 12-27-2007, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by The Hurricane

Lets not forget Jerry was scoring those touchdowns against replacement players and out of shape corners who didn't know when the strike was going to end. I don't want to take anything away from Jerry for being one of the few smart players to stay in game shape, but there is a reason the 22 touchdowns came in the strike year.

Thank you! I came here to suggest this, but wasn't sure of the extent these factors played into the record. That year, a guy from my Division 3 college ended up on the Patriots for a while!

Why does the national media NEVER mention these points?

shakadave · 12-27-2007, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Cramden

OK, I answered my own question. There was only 1 other player who had double digit tds and that was Mike Quick with 11. Sorry, that was an amazing year by Rice.

If I recall, at least half the players were on strike, so possibly many of the top ten receivers didn't play much that year. There were SOME great players who played, though, like Flutie.

PonyExpress · 12-27-2007, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by sanvara

Or maybe Rice didn't want to look like a homer by just picking his guys?

Steve Young is not a HOF QB? You are nuts? He has the highest career QB rating of all-time, Two NFL MVPs, a Superbowl MVP, 7-time pro bowler and his career stats were affected by being a backup to Montana for several years. To say he is not a Hall of Famer is complete insanity.

Career Highlights and Awards

* 7x Pro Bowl selection (1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998)
* NFL Record 96.8 career QB Rating
* NFL Record 43 career QB Rushing Touchdowns
* Super Bowl XXIX MVP
* 1994 NFL MVP
* 1992 NFL MVP
* 1994 PFWA NFL MVP
* 1992 PFWA NFL MVP
* 1994 NEA NFL MVP
* 1992 NEA NFL MVP
* 1992 NFL Offensive Player of the Year
* 1994 UPI NFC Player of the Year
* 1992 UPI NFC Player of the Year
* 1994 Bert Bell Award
* 1992 Bert Bell Award
* 1983 Davey O'Brien Award

No I'm not nuts. Why don't you crawl back into that little lightning bolt hole you came from? Young took over the wheel of a high performance machine with the greatest offensive weapon since Jim Brown sitting next to him in Jerry Rice. His passing efficiency consisted of throwing the ball umpteen times to the greatest receiver in NFL history, or dumping it off to his running back. He routinely sucked in big games and was a huge frontrunner who tended to fold under adversity like a lawn chair. A HOF induction for a 1 time SB winner who should have won 5 if he'd had a set of balls isn't a HOFer in my book.

PS. Kurt Warner won 2 MVPs too. Big F'n deal.

primetime · 12-28-2007, 12:49 AM

Rice's record is more impressive. Jerry Rice is the greatest non-QB to ever play the game. Where's the argument?

***FootballFan85*** · 12-28-2007, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by PonyExpress

No I'm not nuts. Why don't you crawl back into that little lightning bolt hole you came from? Young took over the wheel of a high performance machine with the greatest offensive weapon since Jim Brown sitting next to him in Jerry Rice. His passing efficiency consisted of throwing the ball umpteen times to the greatest receiver in NFL history, or dumping it off to his running back. He routinely sucked in big games and was a huge frontrunner who tended to fold under adversity like a lawn chair. A HOF induction for a 1 time SB winner who should have won 5 if he'd had a set of balls isn't a HOFer in my book.

PS. Kurt Warner won 2 MVPs too. Big F'n deal.

You do realize of course that if you write off Rice like this, you have to write off Brady the exact same way.
This year he's been given a high performance machine and he has the greatest offensive weapon in the league next to him in Randy Moss. His passing efficiencnty consists of throwing the ball umpteen times to the (arguably) greatest receiver in NFL history.

Would you write off the year Brady is having just because hes throwing to the (arguably) greatest? No. Itd be stupid. So why fault Steve Young for being in the exact same offensive situation as your current QB?
You may be the only person in all of the football universe who would say Steve Young is not HOF calibre.

primetime · 12-28-2007, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by FootballFan85

You may be the only person in all of the football universe who would say Steve Young is not HOF calibre.

Do you remember Steve Young in Tampa? He was absolutely terrible. That's why the Bucs gave him away for nothing. All of a sudden he's got Jerry Rice to throw to and he's a Hall of Famer? Give me a break. Young was a decent QB made to look like a superstar because he was throwing to an amazing talent. Brady won 3 Super Bowls and had a claim to being the best QB in the league before he got his Jerry Rice.

***FootballFan85*** · 12-28-2007, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by primetime

Do you remember Steve Young in Tampa? He was absolutely terrible. That's why the Bucs gave him away for nothing. All of a sudden he's got Jerry Rice to throw to and he's a Hall of Famer? Give me a break. Young was a decent QB made to look like a superstar because he was throwing to an amazing talent. Brady won 3 Super Bowls and had a claim to being the best QB in the league before he got his Jerry Rice.

Try to remember that not every QB is Tom Brady and steps into the league and soars from the beginning.
Young played 2 years in Tampa before going to be Montanas backup and if Im not mistaken he only played 1 full year with the Bucks. Do you not think its possible that those years playing under Montana mightve taught Young a lot and helped in his development allowing him to do what he did throughout his career as SF's starter?

primetime · 12-28-2007, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by FootballFan85

Try to remember that not every QB is Tom Brady and steps into the league and soars from the beginning.
Young played 2 years in Tampa before going to be Montanas backup and if Im not mistaken he only played 1 full year with the Bucks. Do you not think its possible that those years playing under Montana mightve taught Young a lot and helped in his development allowing him to do what he did throughout his career as SF's starter?

No, I don't. I think Young was a mediocre QB who had the greatest WR in history running routes for him. Even Steve Bono looked good with Jerry Rice.

sanvara · 12-28-2007, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by primetime

No, I don't. I think Young was a mediocre QB who had the greatest WR in history running routes for him. Even Steve Bono looked good with Jerry Rice.

This is absolute nonsense. Does this mean Montana was not that good either because he had Jerry Rice?

Steve Young had a higher career QB rating than Montana did with Jerry Rice.

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Originally Posted by PonyExpress

PS. Kurt Warner won 2 MVPs too. Big F'n deal.

It's laughable for you to throw this out there. And how does the rest of Kurt Warner's career match up with Young's. It doesn't. Young has 6 seasons with a QB rating over 100 (not including seasons where he did not take the bulk of the snaps) and 7 pro bowls and Warner had two seasons over 100 and 3 pro bowls. Warner has not had the longevity or durability or the extended period of excellence of play to begin to even hint that Young is on par with Warner in terms of career accomplishments.

PatsWorldChamps · 12-28-2007, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by NYCPatsFan

IMO, he has a very valid point but I think he should tone down trying to point to his 12-season game in every interview.

But given his remarkable achievements and his good character, I ignore his reminders of his 12-season game and instead admire the grace with which he applauds Moss and Brady.

regardless of length of season... rice had more TD's than the MVP, a QB, that season, yeah, a wide receiver had more TD's than the MVP QB... that would be like moss throwing up 50 TD's this year... rice was robbed of the MVP that year... the winner was a QB who has 19 TD's and 12 int's. that is a joke.... although, i will point out, the nfl does not even have an mvp award (bet many of you didnt know that)