Mangini used Belichick’s strategy against Belichick - New England Patriots Forums

***weswelker#83*** · 12-17-2007, 10:40 AM

It was January, 1991, and then-Giants defensive coordinator Bill Belichick devised a brilliant plan that slowed down the high-scoring, quick-strike Bills in Super Bowl XXV. Instead of the usual 3-4 scheme, Belichick employed a two-man line — a 2-4-5 alignment. The strategy came with this unorthodox charge: If Thurman Thomas rushes for 100 yards, Belichick told the defensive players, we’ll win.

It was a rope-a-dope, and it worked perfectly. Essentially, the Giants made the Bills run (Thomas got his 100), taking the ball out of Jim Kelly’s hands and shortening the game.
On Sunday, Mangini used Belichick’s strategy against Belichick, and it kept the Jets in the game against the heavily-favored Patriots. The Jets wound up losing, 20-10, in the so-called Spy Bowl in Foxborough, the latest chapter in the blood feud between the two divisional rivals, but they may have uncovered a way to beat the undefeated, history-seeking Patriots.

Make them run. Make them hold the ball. Make them work for it Make them score the old-fashioned way, with long, methodical drives. Test their patience. Better to surrender five yards a pop than to suffer the quick death, say, a 50-yard pass from Tom Brady to Randy Moss.

Full Article :
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22289847/

sebman2112 · 12-17-2007, 10:42 AM

Maybe the weather had something to do with NE's struggles in the passing game?

Oh, and the Jets were crashing the LOS on a number of those runs.

NE39 · 12-17-2007, 10:43 AM

Of course, the guy completely ignores the elements and the effect they had on the game.

His whole point is "make the Pats run", but nobody outside of Mother Nature has been able to do that all year.

Dumb article.

***patpatriot*** · 12-17-2007, 10:45 AM

Not to mention the Jets *lost* the game ...

***weswelker#83*** · 12-17-2007, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by He Ban Me

Didn't see the game, but I guess it helps to explain Maroney's day.

Ok now here is my question , if their defense allowed us to run , why does maroney came up only with 4 and 5 yards , where are the 19 yearders that dillon used to put on sundays in/out .
And remember , the jets focused on the pass this sunday .... i am still not convinced about our running game .

jays52 · 12-17-2007, 10:46 AM

The 2-4 and 1-5 nickel packages are nothing new for Belichick. Mangina picked them up in 2003 and 2004 when they were used primarily against Indy. There is also a 1-4 and 0-5 dime that has been used frequently. Nothing new, really. It's design is to eliminate pre-snap reads and try to confuse both the QB and line after the snap. It's both a coverage and pressure set. It's successful within most 3-4 personell groupings due to the versatility of the linebackers.

***Deus Irae*** · 12-17-2007, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by weswelker#83

Ok now here is my question , if their defense allowed us to run , why does maroney came up only with 4 and 5 yards , where are the 19 yearders that dillon used to put on sundays in/out .
And remember , the jets focused on the pass this sunday .... i am still not convinced about our running game .

When did having 9 men in the box equate to focusing on the pass?

***weswelker#83*** · 12-17-2007, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Deus Irae

When did having 9 men in the box equate to focusing on the pass?

Mangini and coordinator Bob Sutton used only two down linemen (sometimes just one), essentially telling Brady, “Go ahead, run the ball, we dare you.”

There were only 2 on the line of scrimmage

***Lloyd_Christmas*** · 12-17-2007, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by weswelker#83

It was January, 1991, and then-Giants defensive coordinator Bill Belichick devised a brilliant plan that slowed down the high-scoring, quick-strike Bills in Super Bowl XXV. Instead of the usual 3-4 scheme, Belichick employed a two-man line — a 2-4-5 alignment. The strategy came with this unorthodox charge: If Thurman Thomas rushes for 100 yards, Belichick told the defensive players, we’ll win.

It was a rope-a-dope, and it worked perfectly. Essentially, the Giants made the Bills run (Thomas got his 100), taking the ball out of Jim Kelly’s hands and shortening the game.
On Sunday, Mangini used Belichick’s strategy against Belichick, and it kept the Jets in the game against the heavily-favored Patriots. The Jets wound up losing, 20-10, in the so-called Spy Bowl in Foxborough, the latest chapter in the blood feud between the two divisional rivals, but they may have uncovered a way to beat the undefeated, history-seeking Patriots.

Make them run. Make them hold the ball. Make them work for it Make them score the old-fashioned way, with long, methodical drives. Test their patience. Better to surrender five yards a pop than to suffer the quick death, say, a 50-yard pass from Tom Brady to Randy Moss.

Full Article :
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22289847/

I appreciate you posting the article.

Hey Cimini - The Jets lost and the weather (not the Jet's defensive strategy) dictated that the Pats run the ball as much as they did.

Rich Cimini has served up some crappers before. This was sloppy ill-informed journalism at its best. He's more interested in whipping up a story line and sprinkling in some man hug humor than he is about reporting on the actual facts of the game.

***Deus Irae*** · 12-17-2007, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by weswelker#83

Mangini and coordinator Bob Sutton used only two down linemen (sometimes just one), essentially telling Brady, “Go ahead, run the ball, we dare you.”

There were only 2 on the line of scrimmage

You'd better call the Jets announcers then, because they were watching a completely different game.