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As I said, I have no doubt Ryan feared letting Woodhead go was a mistake. But as head coach, he hardly can escape from blame. Tannenbaum of course had the final say, but Ryan is critically involved in all important personnel decisions. He may have been uncomfortable with the decision, but not enough to contest it.
Of course he contested it. He told the Jets press corp that he wanted to cut McKnight but was overruled so he will be staying on the 53 man roster but doesn't see him making game day roster anytime soon.
I really doubt he told the Jets press corp that unless there was a pretty ugly preceding argument with Tanny over the issue and Rex didn't get his way.
Rex has some flaws. An inability to be blunt with others and stand his ground is not one of his flaws.
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These kind of stories make you wonder how many other players never get the break they need. It's possible that Brady might never have gotten his chance if not for Bledsoe's bad luck and Belichick's wisdom. There's more luck in both success and failure than we like to acknowledge. So much hinges on so little sometimes. The ongoing Matt Cassell saga is another case in point: I can't imagine the scene where Pete Carroll told him he was going to start the (now) obviously vastly less talented Leinart over him, which nearly destroyed Cassell's career.
Or imagine if Danny *had* walked on to Nebraska: with his talent and Nebraska's 5 or 6 creampuff games a year Danny might have gotten his NCAA record 19+ 200+ yard games there -- and actually have been drafted in the fourth round or something
In the 2008 Arizona game, I loved when the announcer explained that Lienart was being payed more for just that game to sit on the bench than Cassel would make the entire year as starter for the Patriots. Unreal. And then Arizona was decimated, and then a few games later gets to play in the superbowl.
What a waste, it seems, of four years of NFL career for both Cassel and Leinart, since Cassel eventually got millions and is doing well and Leinart gets fired without ever playing much. Maybe Arizona should've taken Cassel from the start and saved themselves some money and frustration.
(this type of thinking undermines the value of the four year apprenticeship Cassel had with the greatest QB to ever walk the Earth)
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Woody would seem to be great if we ripped off that play from Cleveland where the lineman remain standing and the little guy hides during the snap. Although that's the type of play that someone could only pull about once every season or two as a surprise.
They could also make a human tunnel with Gronk, Volmer and some of the other tall guys and have Woodhead run through their legs, protected, as if in a giant spanking machine.
(OK, back to work)
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Of course he contested it. He told the Jets press corp that he wanted to cut McKnight but was overruled so he will be staying on the 53 man roster but doesn't see him making game day roster anytime soon.
link?
I googled this and came up with zip, other than message boards saying that Ryan SHOULD have done that. I can't find any story written near the time we picked Woodhead up where Ryan actually says he wanted to keep Woodhead but was overruled. Jabba might say that now with 20-20 hindsight, but I would like to see evidence that he felt that way back then.
I googled this and came up with zip, other than message boards saying that Ryan SHOULD have done that. I can't find any story written near the time we picked Woodhead up where Ryan actually says he wanted to keep Woodhead but was overruled. Jabba might say that now with 20-20 hindsight, but I would like to see evidence that he felt that way back then.
I see nothing saying he felt that way at the time.
I am not going to hunt for the link. And don't search on Woodhead. Let me clarify he never discussed Woodhead. He discussed the decision to keep McKnight. He wanted to cut McKnight. It is just a reasonable inference that he would have kept Woodhead if he had one less RB on the team and an available roster spot. But you can go to jets.com and watch the pressers there, I think it was the presser 1 day after the last pre-season game but I could be off by a day or two.
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I am not going to hunt for the link. And don't search on Woodhead. Let me clarify he never discussed Woodhead. He discussed the decision to keep McKnight. He wanted to cut McKnight. It is just a reasonable inference that he would have kept Woodhead if he had one less RB on the team and an available roster spot. But you can go to jets.com and watch the pressers there, I think it was the presser 1 day after the last pre-season game but I could be off by a day or two.
The Jets cutting Woodhead is a major embarrassment. Perhaps the most obvious difference between Ryan and Belichick is that Ryan is an attention hound and cares far too much about what the press says about him. For a head coach to talk to the press and even hint that it wasn't his fault that a particular player was kept or cut is bizarre to the point of being despicable. No wonder Revis was washing his hands of Monday night's debacle. Ryan's clown act will be seen as exactly that if he doesn't deliver.
He discussed the decision to keep McKnight. He wanted to cut McKnight.
I found where he blasted McKnight after a preseaon game and made it clear that McKnight had no chance to be on the active roster unless he improved, but also Ryan said he wouldn't cut him (just that he would not play)
Rex Ryan turned his anger on rookie RB Joe McKnight Thursday night. The New York Jets coach ripped McKnight after the USC product lost a fumble for the third consecutive game in Thursday's preseason win at Philadelphia. Ryan said he's completely lost trust in McKnight. "Joe McKnight's got to hold on to the football,'' Ryan said, via the Newark Star-Ledger. "That was disappointing. Here's a guy that's on the bubble of making the active roster and I don't have confidence in him. I don't see how he can make the active roster. That's how I feel about it." Ryan clarified that he won't cut McKnight. "He's going to make the team," Ryan said. "But we're not going to play him until we have more confidence in him."
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The Jets cutting Woodhead is a major embarrassment. Perhaps the most obvious difference between Ryan and Belichick is that Ryan is an attention hound and cares far too much about what the press says about him. For a head coach to talk to the press and even hint that it wasn't his fault that a particular player was kept or cut is bizarre to the point of being despicable. No wonder Revis was washing his hands of Monday night's debacle. Ryan's clown act will be seen as exactly that if he doesn't deliver.
I agree with that. Totally unprofessional for him to tell the press that he opposed the decision of the GM to keep McKnight when he wanted to cut him.
But at the same token being he did tell the Jets press corp all that. It would be very disingenuous for me to call Rex Ryan and idiot for keeping McKnight over Woodhead.
Rex Ryan = unprofessional
Tanny = bonehead at deciding what running back to keep.
If you have seen some of the thread I have posted you know I have no problem berating Wrecks Crying. I am just gonna stick to doing it honestly.
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I agree with that. Totally unprofessional for him to tell the press that he opposed the decision of the GM to keep McKnight when he wanted to cut him.
But at the same token being he did tell the Jets press corp all that. It would be very disingenuous for me to call Rex Ryan and idiot for keeping McKnight over Woodhead.
Rex Ryan = unprofessional
Tanny = bonehead at deciding what running back to keep.
If you have seen some of the thread I have posted you know I have no problem berating Wrecks Crying. I am just gonna stick to doing it honestly.
Actually, if Ryan said what you said he said, that's far worse than making the mistake about Woodhead. Lots of folks made mistakes about Woodhead. It's instead to Belichick's credit that he again recognized a mistake of a competitor and exploited it. That's much more a positive about Belichick than a negative about Tannebaum -- who's a pretty damn good GM. But for a head coach to point fingers publicly at his GM to avoid embarrassment is unbelievably irresponsible as it undermines the whole organization. If players and assistant coaches read about the head coach dissing the GM, what does that tell them about how they should behave? Indeed, as much as I dislike Ryan's attention wh*ring, I don't believe he actually said what you said he said unless you can show a quote.
It's no accident that it was Belichick that gave both Brady and Woodhead their chances. Belichick has made a career out of arbitraging the inefficiencies of conventional wisdom. I can't imagine Rex Ryan going for it on 4 and 2 like BB did last year. So it's easy to understand how he could let Woodhead slip from his grasp, even as he must have known it was a mistake. Group-think overpowers almost all of us -- but not Belichick.
Belichick as a coach has time and again demonstrated this remarkable capacity to see things in players that most other coaches either pass over or completely miss. I can't see any other coach doing what he has done so far this year. At the beginning of the year, most had written this team off and were waiting for 2011 or 2012 for the new version of the Patriots. However, with Bill, there is no transition, there is only the moment - NOW. I can't find words enough to acknowledge how great this coach has been for this franchise.
Re: Great SI Article on Danny Woodhead
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