eifmp

First some opinions about differences between week 2 and now:

A) Santonio Holmes as a receiving threat: How will the Patriots deal with him?

B) A 100% Darrelle Revis: Who will he cover and can he be as effective as he has been recently? Revis has held Greg Jennings, Andre Johnson, Calvin "Megatron" Johnson, and Terrell Owens to 61 yards total. Will Tom Brady be afraid to throw in his direction?

C)Calvin Pace as a pass rusher/run stoper: He missed the first 4 games of the season. How will his presence in this game help with the pass rush/run game?

D) O-Line improvement: Jets had a 2nd year player starting in only his second game at RG (Matt Slauson). The Patriots had 3 sacks that game. That has only happened 1 other time this season (Hou). Part of that is Mark Sanchez's ability to escape the rush and still make plays. Will a team that's currently 21's in sacks be able to get constant pressure on the QB? Will they be able to contain Sanchez once/if he escapes the pocket?

Besides said differences between week 2 and now...there are some other things I wanna see:

1) Sumthin's gotta give: Either Tom Brady's 25 straight (regular season) home wins will cease or the Jets current 8 straight (regular season) road winning streak cease. Jets are a better road team than home team anyway, winning 11 of the last 15 games on the road including the playoffs.

2) Danny's impact: Will Danny Woodhead and the Patriot running game have an impact in the game vs the Jets? The stats say 'no' he would not. The Jets are the NFL's 4th best rush defense: The Patriots have faced two teams ranked higher: The Chargers (3rd) and the Steelers (1st). They both held the Patriots rushing attack under 100+ yards.

3) Sumthin's gotta give part two: Tom Brady is on Fire. Noticed how I capitalized the F. 23 TD's/4 INT's/2703 passing yards. But he's only passed for 300 + yards twice...vs the Steelers and the Lions. The Jets are 12th in fewest passing YPG (210.6), allow the 4th worst QB rating (75.8), and is tops in the league in lowest completion percentage allowed by opposing QB's (50.3). They held Tom Brady to his 2nd lowest completion percentage this season (55.6), and his 2nd lowest QBR 72.5. Tom Brady has faced 4 teams this season that has allowed fewer passing yardage per game than the Jets. San Diego, Indy, Miami, Baltimore. In those 4 games vs those upper echelon passing defenses Tom has been sacked 11 of his 15 times this season and has thrown for under 200 yards passing in 3 of those games (SD, Miami, Indy).

4) Tom's two losses: They came vs. teams who run the ball well. Jets are 2nd in the league at rushing yards per game and the Cleveland Browns are 12th. They've faced other teams who run the ball well Minnesota (10th) and the Steelers (9th). The Patriots forced the Steelers to play catch-up after getting a huge lead in the game, therefore forcing them to abandon the run. While the rushing attack was able to get the better of the Minnesota and keep Adrian Peterson off the field. In the two games the Patriots lost they were out gained on the ground by 75 (NYJ) and 136 (Cle). Not only did they keep Tom Brady off the field, they eliminated any running threat and thereby putting more pressure on Tom Brady to be flawless.

5) Multifaceted threat: If you can either take away or match the one or two things that another team can do then you've got a good strategy/game plan. Belichick is a master of both. Problem is the Jets are very good at a lot of things and not GREAT any any one or two things. We all know this will be the best rushing offense the Pats will have faced all season. But what else is there? Well...the Jets avg 40.1 net yards punting (5th in the league) and are tied for the league lead with 26 punts killed inside the 20. They are 2nd in the league in kick return average at 26.9. All this adds up to winning the battle of field position. They are 9th in the league with 37 passing plays of 20+ yards and 6th in the league with 9 passing plays of 40+ yards, both ranking are higher than New England's, despite all the Mark Sanchez naysayers out there. The Jets have only allowed 1 300+ passing game all season (Chad Henne) and that was without Darrelle Revis.

Quite frankly...The Patriots have not faced a team this season who is above average with regards to running the ball & defending the run & defending the pass & explosive pass plays with the punting/kicking to win the field position battle all rolled into one. Not to mention the Jets have the 4th best starting field position in the NFL. This is the best combination of offense, defense and special teams in the NFL. This is why I think the Jets will win by a touchdown next Monday.

I predict Jets 27 - Patriots 20.

People want to Jump on the San Diego Chargers bandwagon...but of their 5 losses 3 of them were to teams under .500. Not me sir. Would rather barely win vs sub .500 teams than lose to them

I will be here all week, respectful, and would appreciate the same in return.

Reponses....comments...rebuttals?

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Mark Sanchez '12 stats: 3600 - 3700 yards passing...25-27 touchdowns...15 - 17 interceptions.

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fair catch fryar

I get up in the morning to enjoy my 15 minutes of Pats Fans to find this crap.........oh wait a minute that's what this thread reminds me of. I have something else to do this morning. Now if only I could flush this too.

Tyler.Durden

You don't win football games with pens and paper.

It's Brady vs Sanchez and we know how that goes. I want to see how you deal with McCourty, Chung, Meriweather & Mayo.

See what you can do against BJGE, Woodhead, Hernandez, Gronkowski, Welker, Branch and Tate.

Mankins is back and our pass rushers just had a week off to prepare for the JETS.

I'm predicting 3+ INTS from Sanchez.

ausbacker

The Patriots are playing better football than the Jets at the moment. Stats or not both sides are remarkably different from the first match up, the game is being played in Foxboro and it's a divisional match up with proven versus untried.

It makes for interesting viewing.

RhodyPatriot

Your linebackers can't cover the pass. You are very vunerable in the middle of the field. Brady will have a field day. Expect huge games from Gronkowski and Hernandez.

shmessy

Yeah, all those rookies the Pats have this year haven't gotten any better, more experienced or more familiar with the playbook over the past 10 weeks.

Let's face it EIFMP, you aren't seeing the forest for the trees here.

Wayne Gretzky was ahead of every other hockey player because he didn't play the puck, he played to where the puck was going.

The New England Patriots, as a team, is younger and deeper than any other team in the NFL. I wrote at the beginning of the season that the best we could hope for (especially on D) is that the Pats would not be out of contention for the playoffs by Thanksgiving and maybe the youngsters by then would start hitting their stride and gelling and maybe we could sneak into the playoffs during this rebuilding year.


Get it? In New England, our REBUILDING years look like this. When we lose the best QB on earth in the first game, we still go 11-5 riding the backup.

These youngsters have destroyed all expectations. Next April? 6 picks in the first 3 rounds (Ostensibly, 3 first rounders - - see Panthers, Carolina).

Regarding this game, I like the Patriots chances, but respect that the Jets loaded up for this season (a far more successful "win today" version of the Minnesota Vikings).

Last decade belonged to us and this new decade will too. You're just going to have to live with it.

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sarge

To date the Jets have not faced near the same talents the Pats have, and the Jets have barely scraped by facing that lesser talent. Would like to see what the Jets record would look like if you also had to face Indy Pitt and Sandiego.

The only team the Jets have beaten with a winning record is the Pats, and the Pats where moving the ball pretty well before Brady decided to force the ball to Moss after Revis went out.

Your points are certainly valid. But lets see how it plays out. Your defense was much better last season when Brady scorched them in game 2.

Patriot_in_NY

I disagree. I can respect a guy to come in here a "reasonable" talk football talk and justify why he thinks his team will win. Even a JETS fan. He isn't talking smack at least, like 3/4 of the other DBags Jet fans that come on here to post.

I don't believe a word of what he's saying. Face it, the Jets are playing average football right now, that's it. They are finding ways to win against subpar teams, but they certainly are not a team to be feared. Should be an interesting game.

convertedpatsfan

Living in Toronto and not getting every Pats game locally, I've ended up watching many Jets games this season, more than the average Jets fan has seen of the Pats. I think some perspective is needed on your post.

Braylon Edwards abused Butler in the first match-up. If they leave him on that side with Arrington, that leaves our first-round pick Devin McCourty on Holmes, which is how I would wish for things to go anyways. He's by far our best cover corner.

The Jets have perhaps the best set of corners in the NFL, but can they cover two shifty guys like Welker and Branch? They did a good job shutting down a big target with speed like Moss, but it's a different skill set to cover the smaller guys. I think Revis can handle Wes or Branch, but I wonder/doubt if Cro can do the same.

And what will they do about the tight ends, either Gronk or Hernandez or both? The TE has been killing the Jets lately, and the change in safeties didn't really help. There's not a good answer here for the Jets.

Pace is a very good player and makes that defense better. But without Moss, Brady has focused on the short/intermediate passing game as a result, with the ball coming out a lot quicker. Pace will become more of a factor if the corners can stay with the receivers longer. The run game isn't as big of a factor, as it's not an essential component to what we do. The offense's game plan changes each week depending on the opponent, so if we can't run the ball, it's not as critical as it is for say the Jets or the Chiefs.

Man, Slauson looked bad in week 2. But he has gotten better. Could he really have gotten worse though?

I don't think his improvement is more than the improvement by our DL though, with Brace and Deaderick stabilizing that line. I do worry about Sanchez's mobility and ability to extend plays with his feet, and our pass rushing OLBs have missed a lot of QBs (Tully, Ninko, I'm looking at you guys). But Sanchez also sometimes tries to do too much. We're talking about a lot of different things, but really a lot of this game comes down to how the two QBs handle the game.

The Jets have beaten some crappy teams, but they've won, and they've come back to win a lot of those games. That means something. They have the tough mentality to grind out a road win, even when they're not playing their best. This will be a good game.

The running game doesn't really matter as I mentioned before. However, you'd be mistaken if you think Woody's only impact is running the ball. He's a great check-down option in the passing game. The Jets have made some solid personnel moves, but letting this guy go was inexcusable.

Just don't forget to add that Tom was also 4-1 against those upper echelon pass defenses. The yardage isn't as significant to me, as we switch up the game plans all the time and he is patient enough to take all of those short passes. In 2 of the 4 games you mentioned, his passer rating was over 100, and his TD to INT ratio was 6 to 2 (with one INT on a hail mary). Against the Jets, he threw 2 TDs and 2 INTs, both forced passes to Moss.

As I mentioned in previous posts, the Jets running game is on the decline. They're averaging 20 to 30 yards less per game, Tomlinson is fading fast, and Greene continues to be inconsistent. The only thing keeping that run game respectable over the past 6 games is Brad Smith in the Seminole.

The Jets are a good team, but statistically, they've played nobody and so those edges are a bit misleading. While it's true the Patriots probably haven't played a better team than the Jets, it's definitely true that the Jets haven't played a better team than this re-vamped Patriots squad. Week 2 was so long ago, Welker was still recovering, we were still forcing throws to Moss, no Woody, McCourty still learning, Butler still thrashing about...

And we were still up 14-10 at halftime in that game. It was an awful second half that led to the loss, but it's not like we didn't have a shot.

I appreciate your comments, very long, in-depth, hope to hear back from you some more. And looking forward to one of the great games of the year, perhaps the biggest regular season game this season. Cheers.

Tunescribe

Here is the major difference: the Patriots have BB as their coach. The Green Beans have a bloviating carnival barker.

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