Slagathor

When Seymour was in his first few seasons with us, he seemed to play with alot more fire and enthusiasm.

I don't see it anymore.

IMO....he's one of these guys that allowed the money and success to kill his competitive enthusiasm.

I don't see him overweight or out of shape. He just doesn't have the fire in the belly anymore.

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The point about Seymour missing a decent amount of playing time is a fair one--I think injuries tend to be cyclical, so I would expect him to be pretty healthy going forward, but there are no guarantees.

Pointing to his stats, however, is foolish. Seymour's game has never been predicated on generating huge numbers--it's just not the way the Pats D has been structured.

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Ochmed Jones

Seymour is not playing well period. I do not know if it is injury related or not. He is being handled quite easily and sometimes by only 1 guy.

This may be a case where he continues functioning as a one legged warrior for the rest of the season.

I still do not think Green can hold up vs. the run and pass for an entire season. Same with Wright. The jury remains out on K Brown.

Bostonian1962

Slagathor, I hope you're not correct about this, but am afraid that you might be. We've all seen him when he's a freak out there. It just seems so long ago.

Bostonian1962

I knew somebody would bring up the stat thing, and I agree with you. Surely though, if a player has 1 total tackle in the last two games, it "could" mean he's not producing. Now, if you match that up with the game film (or in my case TIVO), it confirms that fact. He didn't produce last year either.

I assume this post of mine will light a fire under him, and you'll all thank me later, as will he, with a heftly check made out to me.

MoLewisrocks

With no camp and no pre season he is limited to working himself back into game shape, which is very different than mere football shape. That said, my concern about Seymour is value based and tied to his durability or lack thereof going forward. I think that is why he is on a 3 year extension as opposed to the 6-7 year Freeney-esque mega deal many presumed he would get.

On Sunday night Madden noted his ineffectiveness (as part of the reason our pass rush was not proving terribly effective) and attributed it to the knee still bothering him. He did not say if that was just something he was surmising or if he had heard that to be the case. Seymour has been prone to injury over roughly half of his 7 season to date career, he's appeared to be a slow healer as well and a player who has to be 100% in order to play effectively.

It's no knock on his talent. Just that unless you can get on the field and stay on the field and play to your potential on that field talent is immaterial. And on this defense as presently constructed front 7 and the play of the DL in particular is critical because we do not have an all pro secondary, just a very good one that can manage well behind an exceptional front 7 that stuffs the run and gets consistently good pressure on the QB. Even in blitz mode we weren't getting sufficient pressure on Feeley Sunday. Earlier in the season when Green was playing, we were getting pressure even without blitzing. Could be coincidence or not.

As for the dipstick who wants to cut him to keep Asante, his dead cap would be $12M or $6M per in 2008 and 2009 so his cap savings would only be around $2M in 2008 and $5M in 2009 before you factor in the cost of Green's replacement as the high quality backup and the increase Green would command as a starter who is only signed through 2009.

Jimke

Seymour is probably ticked off that he is not making Dwight Freeney

money. He will probably approach the Patriots at the end of the

season (if he has not already) to have his contract torn up. I

expect him to be a holdout during the spring and summer and

lobby for a new contract even though his current contract runs

up thru the 2009 season. Show me the money.

DarrylS

Seymour is so bad every year he gets voted by his peers to the Pro Bowl.. do you ever watch him during a game??, he is consistently double teamed and primarily is supposed to hold his spot which he does. This is not a statistic driven defense, so the numbers do not mean all that much. Try keying on him if you can and watch what he does, and how many people are on him. Assante is worth the cash, but not at Seymour's expense.

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LET HIM THE PATRIOTS ARENT FOOLS

PATRIOTSFANINPA

With or without injury, Seymour is no longer even being mentioned as one of the best DEs in the league.

Ever since he got his big new contract and fat bucks he has not been the same dominating player earlier in this decade - and that is when he is healthy so save the injury excuses for another time.

Jarvis Green is a more impact player,Maybe not as overall talented on paper as Richard earlier in his career but nevertheless the defense gets no worse - like it or not its the truth at this point
But I agree it would not be in the best interests of this team to trade Richard,He is still worthy of being a prominent defensive figure when he is at his best - which is sporadic these days.