Hate to start a new MVP thread, but

[Mogamedogz]

Originally Posted by Deus Irae

I don't see what the big deal is. Kasilias is absolutely correct in that Favre is more critical to his team this season than Brady is to the Patriots.

If Brady ever goes down (God forbid), then a different tune you will be singing... no doubt.

Favre is overrated. So are the Packers. They are going to falter down the stretch, and it starts this Thursday in Dallas.

[National Sports Advisors]

Originally Posted by Deus Irae

I don't see what the big deal is. Kasilias is absolutely correct in that Favre is more critical to his team this season than Brady is to the Patriots. However, since the MVP in the major american sports is actually an award given to the most outstanding player, and not the most valuable (despite the title), it makes no difference. Favre is more crucial to his team, Brady is the MVP.

BS. Brady goes down and we have no shot at getting to the super bowl, nevermind winning it. Not with this defense. How is that any different than if Favre goes down? Same with Tony Romo in Dallas. Same with Peyton in Indy. That argument is foolish. It applies to all the top teams.

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I don't see what the big deal is. Of all the MVP races in sports history this has to be one of the most clear cut at this point in the season, according to the media. Sure, there are a few guys who digress, but look at the seasons by Favre and Romo. These guys are absolutely dominating, just not at the level of Brady, who is also long overdue for the award.

[alamo]

Originally Posted by National Sports Advisors

BS. Brady goes down and we have no shot at getting to the super bowl, nevermind winning it. Not with this defense. How is that any different than if Favre goes down? Same with Tony Romo in Dallas. Same with Peyton in Indy. That argument is foolish. It applies to all the top teams.

Actually, your argument is foolish... since it doesn't actually address the point in question. Deus Irae said Favre is more critical to his team than Brady, never brought up the SB. You did. The fact that none of the top teams are likely to make the SB without their franchise QBs means that is simply a bad criteria to decide which QB is more valuable to their team, it doesn't mean Brady is more valuable to the Pats.

[onegameatatime]

I know this has been said before, including by me, but the NFL MVP tends to be a Most Outstanding Player award. By that standard, TB has to be #1. Otherwise, TB should have been in serious contention in 2003 and 2004, but did not really have much chance. TB did not even make the pro bowl in 2003 and 2006.

A decent case can be made that Favre is most valuable, but that would be a departure from the way its been done in the NFL and would be more like MLB. In the MLB, the voters will go with ridiculously gaudy stats (like this year) and even on a bad team (A-Rod in TX and Andre Dawson), but otherwise go with a guy who was very valuable to a team not expected to do as well as it did, e.g., Justin Morneau last year or Jimmy Rollins this year.

[National Sports Advisors]

Originally Posted by alamo

Actually, your argument is foolish... since it doesn't actually address the point in question. Deus Irae said Favre is more critical to his team than Brady, never brought up the SB. You did. The fact that none of the top teams are likely to make the SB without their franchise QBs means that is simply a bad criteria to decide which QB is more valuable to their team, it doesn't mean Brady is more valuable to the Pats.

This is the NFL. There is only one goal. To win the super bowl. Period. End of story. Brady goes down and there is NO SHOT at winning the super bowl. Same with Green Bay and Favre, Dallas and Romo, Indy and Peyton, and Pittsburgh with Big Ben. If you put Tom Brady on Green Bay do you think there would be any drop off? Absolutely, positively, NOT. Put Brett Favre on New England and can you honestly say with certainty that Favre, at his age, would be putting up the stats that Brady is? Brady, hands down. Not even close.

[fair catch fryar]

Originally Posted by Deus Irae

I don't see what the big deal is. Kasilias is absolutely correct in that Favre is more critical to his team this season than Brady is to the Patriots. However, since the MVP in the major american sports is actually an award given to the most outstanding player, and not the most valuable (despite the title), it makes no difference. Favre is more crucial to his team, Brady is the MVP.

Hopefully, we will never have to find out, but I believe Brady is as crucial to this team as Favre. Seriously, where would we be without him? Moss wouldn't be here and we'd probably be fighting it out with Buffalo for the AFC East. I'll give credit where credit is due, and Brady has a whole bunch coming his way that is LOOOONG overdue!!

[FrontSeven]

Originally Posted by PatsandTrojans55

It was Eric Kasilias or (Ka-silly***) as I call him. It's just more Anti-Patriot drivel coming from ESPN. Brady can do nothing right with some of these people. He gets to an AFCCG with Caldwell and Gaffney and that's not good enough now He has TOO MUCH talent. Favre has very good recievers and a good TE and all the Favre is a leader in the lockerroom crap he said I almost fell out of my chair laughing. Who was it the was playing games with management about retirement and who said he would not teach the you Rodgers the QB position? But what really made me laugh was when he said some of the lockerroom talk is that the players look toward Moss over Brady as the team leader! Of course he won't say what source told him that. Yeah okay KA-SILLY-AZZ.
PT55

Favre is the leader of the team, regardless of his retirement talk, regardless of what you'd like to present here. It's ridiculous to argue that point.

[godef]

Originally Posted by He Ban Me

If Brady had his, and Favre didn't, Brett would win.

I think that would depend on what happens in Dallas Thursday, in which case Romo might also start to get consideration (although I wouldn't think he would be a good choice).

[MoLewisrocks]

Originally Posted by National Sports Advisors

This is the NFL. There is only one goal. To win the super bowl. Period. End of story. Brady goes down and there is NO SHOT at winning the super bowl. Same with Green Bay and Favre, Dallas and Romo, Indy and Peyton, and Pittsburgh with Big Ben. If you put Tom Brady on Green Bay do you think there would be any drop off? Absolutely, positively, NOT. Put Brett Favre on New England and can you honestly say with certainty that Favre, at his age, would be putting up the stats that Brady is? Brady, hands down. Not even close.

Yup. To save key strokes I will just paste what I put in the "other" MVP thread when Brett's case came up:

There have been a couple of games GB won this year in spite of Favre, and a couple of others where he made a play when he had to on an otherwise uninspiring day (with a little help from Donald Driver for one...). He's having a team MVP season compared to his suckitude of the last few seasons, mostly due to his FINALLY adhering to a script, but he wouldn't be the MVP on this team... Whereas Brady would still be the MVP of the 2007 GB team if the rolls were reversed.

Favre has 22 TD's but 8 picks and 8 fumbles to Brady's 39-4-4, not to mention Tom has a couple of rushing TD's. Brett's had a couple of games with more picks than TD's or multiple picks and no TD's. I think if you replaced him with Tony Romo it's a wash. Brady has been dominant with a newly assembled core of WR that as a group represents one of the top 3 in the league. But none of them were top 10 in the league on other teams in the last couple of seasons. Part of the synergy was bringing them together, but most of it is matching them with Brady. Kinda like Manning's perennial triplets - each of whom might be very good elsewhere but excel as a unit under his direction. Both of those teams can withstand losses to some extent but not the loss of that QB. A number of the QB's mg mentions could have done what Brett has done in GB recently - this season included.

BTW - there was a myth that he would have to "do it all" without a running game, only an UDFA back has stepped up since their bye and chipped in an average of 93 rushing yards per game and 112 all purpose yards per game (and nary a fumble) for the last 5 games...

But as always the Brett Farve myth glosses over the little details that don't lend themselves to ballwashing. He didn't kill them early on this season, which is the only real difference, and that gave them a chance to build on something for a change in a weak conference.