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Old 11-27-2007, 08:00 AM   #1
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1. Tom Brady, QB, New England. There's a growing thought in 2007 MVP circles that goes something like this: The MVP has to be Randy Moss, because this intergalactic offense was just very good before Moss arrived, and it's Moss who has made all the difference in this scoring factory. It's a good argument that has some validity, and I'm giving Moss a lion's share of the credit for the Patriots being so great.

But there are two reasons why Brady's a better MVP pick than Moss. One: Moss is not receiving passes in a vacuum. Two new teammates, Wes Welker and Donte' Stallworth, have caught 101 balls for 1,238 yards and 10 touchdowns. You think they're not valuable in allowing Moss to see less blanket coverage than he'd be seeing if Jabar Gaffney and Reche Caldwell were the second and third Pat receivers? Two: Brady is on pace to set NFL records for accuracy, touchdown passes, TD-to-interception ratio and passer rating. He's in the midst of having the best year a quarterback has ever had. How does the best season at -- by far the most important position in the game -- not win a quarterback the MVP?

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Old 11-27-2007, 08:03 AM   #2
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anyone who saw the eagles game and still says moss is the mvp not brady is out of his mind IMO- no offense to anyone.
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anyone who saw the eagles game and still says moss is the mvp not brady is out of his mind IMO- no offense to anyone.
AMEN SVN. There is no doubt in my mind who the MVP is.
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anyone who saw the eagles game and still says moss is the mvp not brady is out of his mind IMO- no offense to anyone.
exactly! Brady can win w/o Moss, but it doesn't work the other way.
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Theres a lot of sentiment here.. Brady is having a great season, the best ever for a QB maybe. Moss is also close to having the best season a WR can have... what more could you ask of Moss? To say that Moss doesn't deserve consideration is ignorant. To me.. you can't play any better than Moss has.. and you can't play any better than Brady has... I'd be content with a co-mvp.
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anyone who saw the eagles game and still says moss is the mvp not brady is out of his mind IMO- no offense to anyone.

Really?? I dont know, they ran play after play with Moss on one side of the field and 3 WRS on the other...the plan being Moss would take the coverage with him and open up opportunities for the other 3. Is that still not adding immense value?? Dont get wrong, Brady is the MVP imo, but the Eagles game didnt do aything to detract Moss' candidacy.
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Really?? I dont know, they ran play after play with Moss on one side of the field and 3 WRS on the other...the plan being Moss would take the coverage with him and open up opportunities for the other 3. Is that still not adding immense value?? Dont get wrong, Brady is the MVP imo, but the Eagles game didnt do aything to detract Moss' candidacy.
Brady is clearly the MVP, but this guy has a point.

Wes Welker got single coverage all day b/c the defense focused so much on Moss
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Isn't MVP the most valuable player to the team? the player that makes the most difference to a team taht is doing well?

To me it is clear that Moss is NOT the league MVP. Replace Moss by any of a dozen receivers in the league and we would still liely be undefeated. In fact, most of us think that we would be undefeated without Moss, with no replacement.

If we had Brees or Big Ben or any of the 18 top QB's, what would our record be? We likely would have fewer win. I still think we'd be easy division winners, and easily one of the top team in the conference. That argues that Brady is NOT the MVP.

The player who really is the MVP this year is Brett Favre. He has taken the team on his back and carried it to 10-1. There is doubt as to whether pack is a playoff team without him.

So, by bottom line is that Brady and Moss may be having having the best year ever for a QB and for a WR, but neither is MVP.
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Really?? I dont know, they ran play after play with Moss on one side of the field and 3 WRS on the other...the plan being Moss would take the coverage with him and open up opportunities for the other 3. Is that still not adding immense value?? Dont get wrong, Brady is the MVP imo, but the Eagles game didnt do aything to detract Moss' candidacy.
i agree he has helped brady be what he is this yr but so so have other players on the team although to a lesser extent. Its still upto brady to handle the philly pressure, understand the coverage and go to welker and gaffeny. Any other QB wouldve chucked the ball to moss 10 times and lost. Ultimately who can we live without on this team brady or moss ? I not against moss and he has opened up this offense but being most valueable to the team keyword being "most" i think its brady unanimously.
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Isn't MVP the most valuable player to the team? the player that makes the most difference to a team taht is doing well?

To me it is clear that Moss is NOT the league MVP. Replace Moss by any of a dozen receivers in the league and we would still liely be undefeated. In fact, most of us think that we would be undefeated without Moss, with no replacement.

If we had Brees or Big Ben or any of the 18 top QB's, what would our record be? We likely would have fewer win. I still think we'd be easy division winners, and easily one of the top team in the conference. That argues that Brady is NOT the MVP.

The player who really is the MVP this year is Brett Favre. He has taken the team on his back and carried it to 10-1. There is doubt as to whether pack is a playoff team without him.

So, by bottom line is that Brady and Moss may be having having the best year ever for a QB and for a WR, but neither is MVP.
i agree but then brady is the MVP all those yrs manning and mcnair and LT won it. So we penalized brady then for not having numbers and now penalize him for having a good receiving core around him. Cant have it both ways.
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