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makewayhomer · 11-15-2007, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by NYPatsFan

My response is somewhat off topic...

Let's not make Theo Epstein out to be some kind of guru. He tried desperately to get rid of Manny Ramirez a few years ago and also tried to acquire Arod. If he succeeded in doing either, it's quite likely that the Red Sox would still be searching for that elusive World Series title.

agreed, Theo has not been perfect - no GM is. you need to look at the balance of his decisions and the type of player he has brought in, and give him a grade. he's had a healthy balance of good decisions and good luck (David Ortiz waaaaay outperfoming any wild dreams he had)

***Frezo*** · 11-15-2007, 09:18 PM

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age has basically nothing to do with missing a 29 yard fg.

How can you be "positive"? ...mathematically speaking of course

***Joker*** · 11-15-2007, 09:18 PM

Maybe Theo should try to look up one of these brilliant friends of makewayforhtetroll's at MIT and get their advice on how to win a world series...oh...wait

RayClay · 11-15-2007, 09:21 PM

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the most basic example? the idea of "clutch", which is generally highly overrated by most people. is David Ortiz a clutch hitter? most people in Boston would laugh at the question - of course he is, maybe the best clutch hitter of all time!! if this is you, then please please please read this article

Yeah that guy Larry Bird is bound to miss a clutch shot pretty soon. LOL!!

No study can overcome people who don't know how to interpret it.

fair catch fryar · 11-15-2007, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by makewayhomer

look, it's not JUST a matter of variance - but fans tend to wildly overrate clutchiness.

again, if AV was so perfectly clutch, then how in the world did he just miss a 29 yard game winner?

What are you, a robot? I know that some people place a lot of value in numbers and stats, and that is great if your looking at the bottom line of running a profitable business, BUT your variance has absolutely no way to measure "clutch". You believe this theory because you want to believe it, it is not necessarily fact because some "sabermetricians" say so. Basically, a bunch of guys who have no life sit around and calculate hundreds of studies on "clutchiness". The bottom line is that there is no scientific way to measure a person's ability to perform under pressure in any line of work. Whether it's MJ at the foul line, Tom Brady in the 2-minute drill and 80 yards to go, Ortiz in the bottom of the ninth, or guys saving their buddies lives somewhere in Iraq. There is an ability for some people to thrive under various conditions when action is needed the most.

makewayhomer · 11-15-2007, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Frezo

How can you be "positive"? ...mathematically speaking of course

look at the #'s for his fg attempts < 30 yards this year

makewayhomer · 11-15-2007, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by fair catch fryar

Basically, a bunch of guys who have no life sit around and calculate hundreds of studies on "clutchiness".

just understand that these guys are running the local baseball team

***Frezo*** · 11-15-2007, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by makewayhomer

look at the #'s for his fg attempts < 30 yards this year

Then how do you explain his miss?

makewayhomer · 11-15-2007, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Frezo

Then how do you explain his miss?

variance. he's not gonna make 100% of his kicks; it just so happened his miss came at a baaaad time

Pat_Nasty · 11-15-2007, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by NYPatsFan

My response is somewhat off topic...

Let's not make Theo Epstein out to be some kind of guru. He tried desperately to get rid of Manny Ramirez a few years ago and also tried to acquire Arod. If he succeeded in doing either, it's quite likely that the Red Sox would still be searching for that elusive World Series title.

He also picked up Ortiz off the scrap heap, made the huge trade that enabled the '04 WS, and built us a seriously bada$$ team with a sustainable young nucleus of Beckett, Papelbon, Youk, Pedroia, Ellsbury, Dice-K, Bucholz, Lester who will all be with us for a while.

Guess what? Two thirds of the time Manny goes up to the plate, he makes an out. Theo should be allowed to "K" here and there too.