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Old 11-03-2007, 03:20 PM   #11
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IMO, if you think the Colts defense sucks, you haven't been paying attention. They are a top 10 defense.
As of today, the Colts are #4 in Total Defense, #1 in passing and #13 in rushing. The Pats are #3 in Total Defense, #5 in passing and #5 in rushing. Based on these simple statistics, the Patriots have a better defense.

After tomorrow's game, look for the Colts defense to drop to at least #8 or #9 in Total Defense. It has happened to every other team that has played us, they drop down a significant number in Total Defense positioning.
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Old 11-04-2007, 12:42 AM   #12
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They are #1 in yards per play, yards per pass attempt and yards per reception (8.1 which is excellent).
The are near the top in both total yards and ppg.

It has been brought up here that they have faced some very poor offenses to build those stats, and I think that is valid. But, the impact of the offenses they face doesnt turn a bad defense into #s like that.

No doubt the Colt D is helped by the O holding on to the ball, and by playing from ahead also.

There are some #s though that it appears a good offense can take advantage of that the bad ones have not.
The Colts allow 65.7% of pass completed.
They allow 4.1 yards per rush.
They are allowing 46% 3rd down conversions.

It appears that offenses that are allowed to stick to their gameplan, and have playmakers that get open and run after the catch would have much more success against this D.

I expect us to tear apart the Colt D, but we should all understand, it will be earned. This is a good defense and if we rip it to shreds like everyone else we have faced, it is more a comment on how incredible our offense is than a comment on deficiencies in the Colt D.

In the back of my mind, I also think this could be a game that has long reaching issues for the Colt D. As I said, I think we tear them up, but I also think future opponents are going to look at the weaknesses we will expose. That is very common in this league for teams mimicking what the Pats do against certain teams.
All this means is that the Colts take away the deep pass and make it easy to complete short ones.

They haven't exactly been great against the run either.

Brady, Moss and Stallworth have been so amazing, that its not clear that Indy can take away the deep pass from New England. If they do, they'll need all of Bob Sanders to do it, leaving them even more vulnerable to short gains by Welker, Maroney and Faulk.

They can pick their poison. Whether with long gains or short ones, the Patriots will be able to move the ball down the field and improve their league leading 26.6 first downs per game.

Going into this game, teams have been converting 46% of third down attempts against Indy, tied for fourth worst in the league (NE leads the league with 29%). Look for Indy to jump past Miami into sole possession of this most unfortunate statistic before the game is over.
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Old 11-04-2007, 12:53 AM   #13
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Colts are indeed a good defense. Second or third best we've seen this year.
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Old 11-04-2007, 01:13 AM   #14
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The Colts let you run and complete short because they figure to outscore you.

(We've been doing a little of that too).

They are fast and go for the sack and the turnover. They also might make a stand against the run occasionally.

As long as they score, it works. If it breaks down, it's embarrassing, as in last years Denver game, but they don't care about your rushing or completion average, as long as they win.

This is a very smart organization that has stuck with their formula a long time and we're foolish to underestimate them.

That being said, we've got the weapons to turn their scheme inside out because we can score with them no matter how they play us.
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one word to completely and accurately describe the colts D???

OVERRATED, and we will see that later today
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The ridiculously overrated Colts defense is going to get its ass handed to it in about a day. Break down that group and compare it to Washington. Washington's linebackers are better, Washington's secondary is better, and one could argue a split on the DL (Washington better vs. the run, Colts better vs. the pass).

I agree colts d sucks will expose it big time trust me.
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I agree colts d sucks will expose it big time trust me.
Hey, I'm not saying it sucks, it's just being overrated by people who are pimping it as being on the same level as, or better than, the Patriots' defense.
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Old 11-04-2007, 01:39 AM   #18
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Personally I think the media fest underrates both defenses, but we will see. Personnel wise, the Dolts may be as good a defense as we see all year; however their problem is they inflexibility (from coaching/abilities?) and the patsie offense has all the tools to dominate the Cover-2 package. On the other side, I look for Hobbs to step up (with safety help) and show us the source of his ****iness. Either way, this Game will at least be the real thing, compared to at least 10 other snorefests this season.
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Pats create too many mismatch for secondaries to handle and brady always finds the the open guy. Dallas and the redskins were the 7th and 4th ranked defenses and the pats posted 48 and 52 on them respectively. Regardless of what defenses have done in their previous weeks they can't stop everything the Pats can do.

Another thing to note: Remember how good brady is in domes? His new receivers were made to play in a dome. They posted 45 offensive points last week on a windy New England October day. The Colts will be helpless trying to stop this attack.
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Granted, there's a lot more that goes into the determining the relative abilities of defenses, but this quick and dirty analysis--along with the one posted above about all the major injuries that the Colts defense has benefited from--leads me to believe that this could be the first true test for what could be a very average Colts defense.

The good news is that today we will find out for real how good Indy's defense is. No more conjecturing necessary.
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