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I am not a fan of Green-Ellis; however, he can play many roles. He is a Belichick type #4 running back, who can take reps as needed at RB, FB and special teams. I would rather have Morris in this role, with Maroney being the #2 rb. However, Belichick didn't trust Maroney and wasn't about to use part of this season to teach Maroney to take care of the football. It is too late for that.
It seems likely Green-Ellis will likely be on the team at least though 2011 since he is an RFA next year. He could be extended at least through 2011 at any point this season. In any case, we need new running backs next year and it seem likely that Belichick keeps Green-Ellis as a backup through 2011.
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We're talking about RB. It isn't a position where a player takes years to develop to be good. Can anyone remember the last RB who emerged as a star three or four years in their career after being a JAG for the time before.
I can understand why the Pats like the guy since he works really hard, but the guy hasn't even rushed 500 yards for his career and this is his third year. I think he will never be anything more than a change of pace guy. Brown is way off on this.
Didn't Tedy just say that the Pats defense was "soft" and they would lose to Cincy on Sunday? Wasn't Collinsworth on Boston radio talking about how bad the Brady contract situation was going to be for the team?
You do realize the worst front office executive of all time (Matt Millan) was a borderline Hall of Fame linebacker?
We have many great posters here who take Pats football seriously and many in the "pro Maroney" camp make valid points. Besides when you look at Williams and Jones-Drew, they never played with an all world QB and could excel as the feature in their offense.
Different circumstances different places.
Again, I contend that the ex-Pats are best at 'leaking' to us the internal feelings of their connections on the team, colored of course by their own philosophies as we all do. That was what we heard from Brown when he predicted Maroney as the surprise casualty if 2010. But as to football analysis, they may or may not have the skills. I think Brown is smoking it if he sees bjge becomming even near great. Decent is fine with me.
I listened to Troy yesterday on EEI. Love the guy and enjoyed his commentary, but over a couple hours he repeatedly referred to the young Pats DBs shutting down the good vet receiver Houzmendeh (sp?) Sunday. Not a good indicator.
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I hate to play devil's advocate, but it depends what your definition of bust is (sorry about my Clinton-speak here). It wasn't like he averaged 2.8 yards a carry and is out of the league. He had plenty of moments, over 4 yards a carry average, and should be in the leauge for some time. My guess is he just didn't put in the time or effort required to get to the next level. BB HATES that! Now he's gone. I respectfully don't look at Maroney and think bust. I think, all the talent in the world, but satisfied and unwilling to improve.
Actually, I think Maroney is very hard worker and wants to be a good running back.
IMO his problem is a lack of mental toughness, which presents itself as an unwillingness to hit holes hard, inability to hold on to the ball in key situations, and inability to stay cool when picking up blitzes or getting carries in big pressure games. Maroney is too easily intimidated by big, physical defenses.
I still think he is a solid back, which is why we got a 4th for him.
While I agree with your comments, Green-Ellis is still valuable to the patriots over the next two seasons as a backup, as a role player who can pla a bit of running back, fullback and special teams. There is room on a Belichick team for JAG role players.
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We're talking about RB. It isn't a position where a player takes years to develop to be good. Can anyone remember the last RB who emerged as a star three or four years in their career after being a JAG for the time before.
I can understand why the Pats like the guy since he works really hard, but the guy hasn't even rushed 500 yards for his career and this is his third year. I think he will never be anything more than a change of pace guy. Brown is way off on this.
BJGE averaged over 4.0 YPC against what was a pretty good Bengals run defense from last season. If he can keep that up, he'll be a solid addition.
However, I'm not sure what Brown's talking about when he says, "Ben Jarvis Green Ellis has looked better than Laurence Maroney the last two years, he didn't play a lot last year because of the running back situation, but overall he has looked better than Laurence the last couple years, and thats why the job is his, he ran well during the preseason, he ran well Sunday against Cinncinnati, and he continues to get better". That's just flat out wrong and sounds like Brown is sour that his prediction of Maroney getting cut before the season didn't pan out.
Troy was asked if there would be a potential surprise cut and he mentioned Maroney off the top of his head. The idea that Troy sat around and plotted how he could turn some random statement into the truth after the fact is wrong.
The fact is that Troy, Bruschi, Fred Taylor, and BB are simply tired of Maroney's puff and play routine. Even the OL slammed Maroney a couple years back indirectly by saying how much they appreciated a guy like ancient Taylor in the backfield because he made them look good.
Everybody needs to quit with the Maroney excuse making, he is no longer a Patriot.
And Troy was pretty darn close to the surprise 'cut' truth anyway, much closer than ANYBODY else in the media or this fan base. Surprise trade, surprise cut, what is the big difference?
Troy was correct.
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Getting positive yardage rather than negative or zero yardage on just about every carry opens up your playbook a bit more. Maroney had decent runs every now and then but BJGE seems to get positive yds on just about every carry.
Rotating Taylor and BJGE will give The Lawfirm more carries and should get him into the flow of the game more. Another player to keep an eye on in this team retooling year.
Also, James is the new RB on the PS and is an unknown commodity.
Who does BB sign or bring up from the PS to fill Maroney's spot?
I see BGJE as a replacement for Morris not a future star of the NFL. Honestly RBs don't last that long so to reach stardom they need to start early.
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