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Old 10-17-2007, 07:38 AM   #1
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While both are willing to take risks, the Pats are able to acknowledge mistakes (Donald Hayes, Doug Gabriel, etc.) and move on (Stallworth, Welker, Moss). The Red Sox are arrogant and anchor themselves to their mistakes (JD Drew) while better players sit on the bench (Ellsbury). No wonder some guys don't hustle to first base. With the Pats, it is all about performance.
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Old 10-17-2007, 07:38 AM   #2
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Please, don't EVER, EVER compare the Patriots to the Red Sox ever again.
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Another backdoor thread about the Red Sox. We all know the difference between whiney baseball players their babysitting managers versus NFL players and coaches anyway.
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It doesn't help baseball that contracts are garunteed and football ones, for the most part, are not. The Sox have to justify paying Nancy Drew $70 for 5 years by playing him. The Pats could cut Gabriel and move on. Big difference.
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While both are willing to take risks, the Pats are able to acknowledge mistakes (Donald Hayes, Doug Gabriel, etc.) and move on (Stallworth, Welker, Moss). The Red Sox are arrogant and anchor themselves to their mistakes (JD Drew) while better players sit on the bench (Ellsbury). No wonder some guys don't hustle to first base. With the Pats, it is all about performance.
This post makes no sense. Are you saying if the pats guaranteed Stallworth or Moss a big sum of money they would just cut them , take the loss in money and move on if they did not do so well in year one?

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BradfordPatsFan is right. The difference is in the respective collective bargaining agreements.

The costs to a Football team when cutting a veteran is not nearly as costly as when a Baseball team releases one. They almost HAVE to stick with losers like Tony Clark (He's still in MLB. Can you believe it? On a playoff team, no less!) in order to maximize their investment. On the flip side, BB talents translate better team to team than do FB players, whom often don't fit in a given system.

Bottom line: they're apples and oranges.
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This post makes no sense. Are you saying if the pats guaranteed Stallworth or Moss a big some of money they would just cut them , take the loss in money and move on?
The Pats might not cut players with big money guaranteed, but:
1. The Pats have a much better free agent track record than the Red Sox. I really don't see any Pats free agent busts. They go after good players who are undevalued. The Red Sox say they look for value, but it really hasn't translated well in their free agent signings. Each many of the signings, they paid alot more than the next team was offering, and many of them have played horribly here(Drew, Crisp, Rentaria, etc).

2. The Pats would sit the guy with the big contract if the guy (Bledsoe/Brady prime example, benching Terry Glenn for most of the season, Gabriel last year) if either the big contract guy had an effort/attitude problem, or if the little guy was simply better. The Sox, would be afraid to hurt the big contract's ego, and wouldn't make a move. And in the regular season, it doesn't matter too much, since the Sox have so many stars (due to payroll advantage) that you can afford to carry some deadweight. In the playoffs, as we're now witnessing, it does matter when you don't make the best coaching moves.
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The Pats might not cut players with big money guaranteed, but:
1. The Pats have a much better free agent track record than the Red Sox. I really don't see any Pats free agent busts. They go after good players who are undevalued. The Red Sox say they look for value, but it really hasn't translated well in their free agent signings. Each many of the signings, they paid alot more than the next team was offering, and many of them have played horribly here(Drew, Crisp, Rentaria, etc).

2. The Pats would sit the guy with the big contract if the guy (Bledsoe/Brady prime example, benching Terry Glenn for most of the season, Gabriel last year) if either the big contract guy had an effort/attitude problem, or if the little guy was simply better. The Sox, would be afraid to hurt the big contract's ego, and wouldn't make a move. And in the regular season, it doesn't matter too much, since the Sox have so many stars (due to payroll advantage) that you can afford to carry some deadweight. In the playoffs, as we're now witnessing, it does matter when you don't make the best coaching moves.
You guys really can't compare the two sports. As has been said, baseball contracts are guarenteed while football contracts aren't. And if your going to look at FA's that the team brought in you should also look at the traded players. Players like Lowell, Beckett, Tek, Pedro and FA's like Ortiz, Manny, Bill Mueller. The Sox have had their share of players who have performed well or else you forget 2004.

Also, in terms of benching big name FA's, there are only 25 roster spots in baseball and usually only a few bench players. They don't have the roster spots to bench players.
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In spite of the fact that they are probably apples and oranges, I can't shake the feeling that some of the Sox big names play like they deserve to be there no matter what, and the Pats act like they're going to get cut if they don't bust their *****.

I also can't help but wonder what MLB would be like with a salary cap.
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ONE reason.. The Pats are a franchise thats run correctly. The Red Sox have been disfunctional organization as long as I can remember. Probably 40+ years. I know they won the WS in 04, but it was close to 90 years since the last one. Eventually the odds, and the (even a blind squirrel finds a nut) factor had to kick in at some point. I stopped paying attention to them years ago and I feel alot better,my stress level decreased by quite a bit.
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