Pujo

Just because some clown was wrong about Belichick doesn't mean that every clown is wrong about every coach. There are a lot more bad coaches than good ones; Belichick would be the exception, not the rule.

That said, I see no actual indication that the Jets dislike Mangini, or that Mangini would actually throw Shottenheimer under the bus - that's all speculation on the part of the article writer.

He Ban Me

Apparently, this has gone over your head.

Rob0729

Pete Prisco as your source? He should have wrote "I hate Bill Belichick so of course the playerss and media hate him too". This is a guy who predicted the winner of the Super Bowl in the 2004 season would be "anyone but the Patriots". Where is his proof. I never saw a single reporter intimate it or a player say anything publically. Jets player have both this year and last year made comments about Mangini though publically. It is well known that the Jets players didn't accept Mangini's coaching still which is more abrassive than Belichick.

Besides, the Pats won a Super Bowl in Belichick's second year and the Jets aren't going to win the Super Bowl any time soon,

patchick

I think the comparison's valid, actually. And it serves to illustrate just how Mangini has gone wrong. He's tried to be a Belichick mini-me in his coaching style, but the style was never the point.

BB succeeds, and he's a hardass. He doesn't succeed because he's a hardass. He succeeds because he works like mad, knows as much about football as anyone alive, and puts his players in position to win. Players buy in because he walks the walk. If you're a hardass without a winning gameplan, you're just a jerk.

Rob0729

Well, Pete Kendall spoke out against Mangini and his practices this preseason. A lot of players spoke on and off the record that they did not like Mangini's coaching during training camp of last year. That died down after they started to win though.

Other than Terry Glenn, no one spoke out about Belichick in the first two years. The Pats players were in a different position though, a large portion of the team had a good deal of exposure to Belichick when he was the Assistant Head Coach during the 1996 season and they were more willing to buy into what he was selling. Very few Jets players had exposure to Mangini either playing under him with the Pats or his tenure with the Jets under Parcells. Beside, Mangini was a glorified peon the last time he was with the Jets.

Pujo

Well, if you say so.

He Ban Me

The Title of the thread is "things could be getting worse for Mangini.....

"More importantly, he can ill-afford to further cripple his already strained relationship with the team. Mangini’s authoritarian coaching style is detested by his players,"

Which is similar to :


"His players don't like him, the media doesn't like him, and his inflexibility is tiring."

So, all I am saying is, things were not all rosy for BB in the early years, but he has succeeded. Mangini looks like he is in a similar boat.

That's all, nothing more, nothing less. Just simply making a comparison.

FlyingElvis75

It's true; winning tends to cure all ills.

Rob0729

Actually, there are big differences in coaching styles between Mangini and Belichick. People who have observed Jets practices have compared how Mangini runs practice more like Crennel and Parcells than Belichick. Mangini is far more hands on and abrassive in practices while Belichick is more stoic and allows his assistants more leeway to run their squads. Belichick is still a hardass, but he isn't in the players' faces like Mangini (or Crennel or Parcells are/were).

I do admit if Belichick didn't win the Super Bowl either in 2001 or a year after, players would probably have turned on him. But the rumors that players hated the Pats was never like they are about Mangini.

IcyPatriot

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