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You got hooked on soccer watching that snoozefest? Can you explain to me what the "strategies" are in soccer, especially since they lead to so few goals?
Strategies you ask? You mean like the many formations from the original 2-3-5, to the traditional 4-4-2, Brazil's revolutionay 4-2-4 the modern 4-2-3-1 to Holland's total football 4-3-3, 5-3-2, 4-1-4-1, 3-5-2 etc etc etc.
Or how about style of football? You have the two extremes of the Tika Taka slick passing Football of Barcelona where all players are technically proficient and the formation is incredibly fluid to the physical kick them off the pitch style of English football in the past, and still used by teams like Blackburn today, which involves an extremely fit team with a rigid formation. And everything in between. You have the fast counter attacking style of Manchester United, the Cantenaccio defence of Italy, the short passing game in Spain, route one football etc etc.
And then in game you have so much going on off the ball, Centre forwards running in to channels, trying to beat the offside trap with a perfectly timed run coupled with a perfectly timed pass from a midfielder. You have full backs making overlapping runs past wingers, the positioning of centre back pairings, man marking or zonal marking. And then you have all the different styles of each position. A Target man forward is completely different and requires a completely different style of football to a poacher, or a fast striker, or an all round striker, or a trequartista. You have defensive full backs or attacking wing backs. You have holding midfielders, defensive midfielders, box to box midfielders, attacking midfielders, deep lying playmakers.
I could go on and on, but i wont. Just because you are ignorant of the strategy of a sport, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I know nothing about baseball, yet i am aware there is probably lots of strategy involved even though i have no idea what that is.
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I despite soccer, but I think the thing I hate the most about it is how most of it's followers act like it's such a wonderful, sophisticated game and constantly talk about how superior it is to other sports. I hate soccer snobs basically.
How ironic, given that this thread is completely the opposite of that. Who is constantly saying its a better sport? I am professing my love for both sports, yet you are the one acting like one is superior to the other. Perhaps you are a football snob?
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I despite soccer, but I think the thing I hate the most about it is how most of it's followers act like it's such a wonderful, sophisticated game and constantly talk about how superior it is to other sports. I hate soccer snobs basically.
I was in Florence the night Barcelona and Inter Milan played in the European Cup Semi's. After leaving a restaurant and walkin back to my hotel I passed a bar and heard yelling. Going inside the place was packed with Italian fans screaming for an Inter win; (they did). The passion there was certainly no less than any Pats game I've been to .
BTW: When Bayern Munich won the other Semi...the Hofbrahus's were giving out free beer!!!
I'm so pumped for the season! Jonesing for some NFL action, I tried really, really hard to get into the World Cup this year, only to be both angered and saddened at the same time. I decided it was more exciting to put on the auto-refresh and just watch profootballtalk.com for several hours. Here's my comparison between the two sports, for those who don't know much about either and are looking to choose one...
That is a lot of text! Do you write similarly huge posts on other forums about things you don't like that have nothing to do with the focus of those forums?
Do you go to automotive forums and post about how much better you think cars are than skateboards, or go to photography forums and talk about how much better you think photos are than jazz records?
That is a lot of text! Do you write similarly huge posts on other forums about things you don't like that have nothing to do with the focus of those forums?
Do you go to automotive forums and post about how much better you think cars are than skateboards, or go to photography forums and talk about how much better you think photos are than jazz records?
No. Do you like to click on posts that you already know you're not going to like, just to get attention?
I'm a fast typist. I literally wrote that in under 20 minutes and enjoyed it. Why else would I post something if I didn't enjoy writing it?
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Strategies you ask? You mean like the many formations from the original 2-3-5, to the traditional 4-4-2, Brazil's revolutionay 4-2-4 the modern 4-2-3-1 to Holland's total football 4-3-3, 5-3-2, 4-1-4-1, 3-5-2 etc etc etc.
Or how about style of football? You have the two extremes of the Tika Taka slick passing Football of Barcelona where all players are technically proficient and the formation is incredibly fluid to the physical kick them off the pitch style of English football in the past, and still used by teams like Blackburn today, which involves an extremely fit team with a rigid formation. And everything in between. You have the fast counter attacking style of Manchester United, the Cantenaccio defence of Italy, the short passing game in Spain, route one football etc etc.
And then in game you have so much going on off the ball, Centre forwards running in to channels, trying to beat the offside trap with a perfectly timed run coupled with a perfectly timed pass from a midfielder. You have full backs making overlapping runs past wingers, the positioning of centre back pairings, man marking or zonal marking. And then you have all the different styles of each position. A Target man forward is completely different and requires a completely different style of football to a poacher, or a fast striker, or an all round striker, or a trequartista. You have defensive full backs or attacking wing backs. You have holding midfielders, defensive midfielders, box to box midfielders, attacking midfielders, deep lying playmakers.
I could go on and on, but i wont. Just because you are ignorant of the strategy of a sport, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I know nothing about baseball, yet i am aware there is probably lots of strategy involved even though i have no idea what that is.
How ironic, given that this thread is completely the opposite of that. Who is constantly saying its a better sport? I am professing my love for both sports, yet you are the one acting like one is superior to the other. Perhaps you are a football snob?
Soccer Stragedy
A bunch effeminate euros pretending to be hurt and crying like little girls.
Americans really don't know what they're talking about. Really.
There's no strategy in football? Go see hockey(total mess), and worse, baseball.
If it's so boring, why does an NFL game takes 3 hours, when there's only 60 minutes of game? There's more stops than game, it's awful.
And I thought you were cool, being a Pats fan and all...
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------------------ “On a day when they could have had impact players David Terrell or Koren Robinson..they took Georgia defensive tackle Richard Seymour, who had 1 sacks last season in the pass-happy SEC and is too tall to play tackle at 6-6 and too slow to play defensive end. This genius move was followed by trading out of a spot where they could have gotten the last decent receiver in Robert Ferguson and settled for tackle Matt Light, who will not help any time soon.”
Oops, there goes the moral high ground. Also, the Canadians will be after you now.
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If it's so boring, why does an NFL game takes 3 hours, when there's only 60 minutes of game? There's more stops than game, it's awful.
Advertising $$$. Sunday consists of watching commercials with some football in between.
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------------------ “On a day when they could have had impact players David Terrell or Koren Robinson..they took Georgia defensive tackle Richard Seymour, who had 1 sacks last season in the pass-happy SEC and is too tall to play tackle at 6-6 and too slow to play defensive end. This genius move was followed by trading out of a spot where they could have gotten the last decent receiver in Robert Ferguson and settled for tackle Matt Light, who will not help any time soon.”
Some of you need to lighten up a bit. If someone on a European football forum posted something pointing out some of the "gay" aspects of American football, or how boring it is to watch if you don't know all the strategy, and did it in a humorous way like the OP did, it would hardly be cause for an angst-ridden meltdown for me.
That being said, to me it's not about how passionate the fans are about a sport that matters--think about the skinhead lager louts of Europe causing riots, Columbians who murder their goalkeeper after an own goal (now that's fandom for you ); hell, in Finland, they're passionate about ice fishing. Although I've played organized soccer, I don't pretend to know much about it's complexities, nor its cultural or nationalistic appeal. I just know that, much like baseball, it is (strategy and all) pretty inherently boring compared to football, unless there's a Super Bowl-like world title on the line. And the way some of the players act like drama queens on phantom fouls truly is "gay"--not that there's anything wrong with that.
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); hell, in Finland, they're passionate about ice fishing. Although I've played organized soccer, I don't pretend to know much about it's complexities, nor its cultural or nationalistic appeal. I just know that, much like baseball, it is (strategy and all) pretty inherently boring compared to football, unless there's a Super Bowl-like world title on the line. And the way some of the players act like drama queens on phantom fouls truly is "gay"--not that there's anything wrong with that.
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