grapedog

Wow...thats impressive...i love it!

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Flying Fungi

tens of thousands of idiots

looks like we are closer to idiocracy than i expected

anyone for a latte?

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T-ShirtDynasty

You can vote on the ESPN.com home page but the state-by-state breakdown can be seen here.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/fp/fl...e&pollId=48218

Perception is reality, right or wrong, we're the new Raiduhs.

By the way, you people in Vermont disgust me.... you call yourselves New Englanders.

Patti37

I was listening to Mike and Mike in the Morning on ESPN and some callers were advocating the death penalty (okay, maybe not that bad but close).

People were even saying this is worse than what Pete Rose did etc. You get the picture.

Fixit

"Tarnishes their Superbowl legacy?"

Damn. Looks like they have no choice but to start a new one.

vyrago

Amazing!

According to King Kaufman in today's Salon, the last time an NFL game was forfeited was in 1921.

http://www.footballresearch.com/arti...?topic=forfeit

Do people really think that bringing a video camera onto the field and taping the other team's signals is worth a forfeit when many other kinds of "stealing" of signals is perfectly legal? Moronic.

Here's a bit of Kaufman's piece:

Pats sneak camera into super-secret location: The field

The fracas over the New England Patriots "spying" on the New York Jets during Sunday's game in New Jersey is an early leader for dumbest controversy of the year honors, though to be fair Terrell Owens hasn't even started warming up yet.

NFL security officials confiscated a video camera and tape from a Patriots employee who had been pointing the camera at the Jets bench. The league has a rule against teams having video recording devices in the coach's booth, the locker room or on the field during games.

Why does the league have that rule? For the same reason it has a rule governing the length of players' socks. The NFL likes rules.

http://www.salon.com/sports/col/kauf...ay/index1.html

PonyExpress

The punishment should be nothing. IMO, Goodell will appease the jackals at our heels, by docking the Pats a 2nd rd pick, levying a substantial fine and suspending BB for 2 games. It will be unjustified and a total digrace. Backroom dealing will compensate Kraft with power and money through other avenues.

Horace's Ivories

Damn.. Those Alaskans are harsh!!

Oswlek

While I think that most are overplaying the advantage that the videos offer - I personally feel that they offer no mid-game value, but they can be very useful in film review after the fact - NE did break a rule. Not only that, but they broke a rule that the league just recently sent communication about. This is akin to you getting pulled over on a road, getting a warning, and then getting caught in the same speed trap the next day. You aren't getting away scot free, nor should you.

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PonyExpress

Oswlek,
The only way, as I understand it, that the Pats broke a rule is if they were videotaping for in-game use. IOW, if they were taping for later post-game research, I believe that is not technically a violation of the prohibition. It is a loophole that BB was exploiting. If my understanding is correct, then there is no violation and no punishment is warranted. If I am wrong, this seems like a gray area that deserves clarification and a mild sanction. But this issue is not really about "the video". it is about something much larger. It is about Randy Moss and his manipulated journey to the Pats on the cheap. It is about trips to China. It is about prime time appearances; magazine covers; the glory of the owner, the coach, the Qb, the players, the explosion of the Pats' BRAND. We are witnessing a palace coup against Kraft and BB by lesser owners and coaches who have been held in subjection to him for years. We are witnessing an attempt by Mangini and Tannenbaum to divide BB and Kraft and cut short BB's tenure with the Pats. In order to appease these many angry and envious interests, including a Players Association ticked off at Patriot negotiating tactics, Goodell will try to cut the baby in half for appearance' sake. The result will be a punishment whoch helps his own image (in light of harsh punishments doled out to players), a warning to coaches to rein in the chicanery, and a scapegoating of BB- red meat to the masses. Kraft IMO will be compensated in some fashion, but I fear this will divide Kraft and BB (in light of BB's other recent public relations snafoos). That was Mangini's overarching purpose to begin with.