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Old 09-01-2007, 10:49 AM   #21
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There is no comparison between using something to get back to your natural abillity vs. using something to go beyond it.
He was attempting to get back to his natural ability by using an un-natural, illegal method. A lot of NFL veterans would like to play like they are 25 again from a physical standpoint, while still a veteran mentally. Not all of them cheat to do so. That is wrong, not a good thing.
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Old 09-01-2007, 10:50 AM   #22
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There is no comparison between using something to get back to your natural abillity vs. using something to go beyond it.
Give me a break. HGH affects the entire body, not just the broken parts. While the knee healing process is being accelerated by HGH, all the muscles in his body are being artificially enhanced due to this drug use. HGH is so popular because it takes the entire body well beyond its "natural ability".
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He was attempting to get back to his natural ability by using an un-natural, illegal method. A lot of NFL veterans would like to play like they are 25 again from a physical standpoint, while still a veteran mentally. Not all of them cheat to do so. That is wrong, not a good thing.
Well there's many colors of gray you're entering into now. Again, he broke the rules and got caught. Shame on him for getting caught. But there's a lot of "unatural" things in all sports which bring players back quicker and that's a good thing. Rodney got caught - too bad - it's a 4 week high ankle sprain to me.
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He admitted to receiving HGH and anabolic steroids as a coach of the Bears. I am sure that there are players on The Cowboys and every other team in the NFL finding ways to beat the system and use illegal performance enhancers.

The difference is, and correct me if I'm wrong, but there has been nobody on The Cowboys crying for years about not being respected, while at the same time cheating, and therefore disrespecting the game that provides for them a living in the first place.
You know BWare, in the short time I've been reading your posts, you've become of my favorite fans from outside the Patriot Bubble. Generally your POV is thoughtful and I respect it. In this you are straying beyond the bounds of decorum. Are you really coming on to a Pats Board and lecturing about Rodney breaking the drug policy rules? Your favorite team is commonly referred to as South America's Team and leaves a trail of Colombian Gold Dust everywhere they go, kind of like snail scum.
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Well there's many colors of gray you're entering into now. Again, he broke the rules and got caught. Shame on him for getting caught. But there's a lot of "unatural" things in all sports which bring players back quicker and that's a good thing. Rodney got caught - too bad - it's a 4 week high ankle sprain to me.
I tend to agree looking at this more...there are many shades of gray not only in what was done..but also in how one reacted to it and acted.
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Give me a break. HGH affects the entire body, not just the broken parts. While the knee healing process is being accelerated by HGH, all the muscles in his body are being artificially enhanced due to this drug use. HGH is so popular because it takes the entire body well beyond its "natural ability".
That may be true but the reason he did it, almost certainly, was to get back on the field with him running out on an aging career.

Should MLB pitchers who have TJ surgery and gain 2-3 MPH on their fastballs be banned ? Because most of them are better on the other end of it.
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No matter how you slice this, whether its HGH or steroids or if its not for a competitive edge but to rather heal injuries, is very very disappointing. Rodney is my favorite player with the patriots and he was the LAST person I'd ever see associated with this stuff. Especially with pro sports being tarnished with steroids (Bonds, Merriam, etc), I would think Rodney would of had a little more common sense. Malicious or not, its is extremely disheartening...
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You know BWare, in the short time I've been reading your posts, you've become of my favorite fans from outside the Patriot Bubble. Generally your POV is thoughtful and I respect it. In this you are straying beyond the bounds of decorum. Are you really coming on to a Pats Board and lecturing about Rodney breaking the drug policy rules? Your favorite team is commonly referred to as South America's Team and leaves a trail of Colombian Gold Dust everywhere they go, kind of like snail scum.
I specifically said I wasn't lecturing him for breaking the rules, and think that every team has players that do so. I just find it disingenuous that with all the complaining about a lack of respect that Rodney be one of them. Also, while I think Parcells' coaching style may be outdated for today's NFL, I do thank him for cleaning up the mess of character that Jimmy Johnson left here. It's been nice to finally have a team where there are more players with charity's than arrest warrants.
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That may be true but the reason he did it, almost certainly, was to get back on the field with him running out on an aging career.

Should MLB pitchers who have TJ surgery and gain 2-3 MPH on their fastballs be banned ? Because most of them are better on the other end of it.
I'm sure every illegal drug user has a reason to justify breaking the law or league rules. So what.
As for your Tommy John surgery example, I guess healthy pitchers should just go in for a ligament upgrade because of the superhuman powers they gain. You've been watching too many Disney sports movies.
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I'm sure every illegal drug user has a reason to justify breaking the law or league rules. So what.
As for your Tommy John surgery example, I guess healthy pitchers should just go in for a ligament upgrade because of the superhuman powers they gain. You've been watching too many Disney sports movies.
The fact of the matter is most pitchers are better after TJ surgery. Some high school pitchers treat it as elective surgery for that reason. That doesn't make what Rodney did any better but there's shades of gray here. After he tore 3 ligaments in his knee he may have had the choice of retiring or helping the healing process along. If those were his two choices it's difficult to say he made the wrong one.
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