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Cousins,
Here is my rating for each player from this sloppy, disappointing game.
41b Larry Anam DB Did he dress? INC.
23 Willie Andrews S Invisible D
32 Rashad Baker FS Part of the 2nd half waste of the fans' time D
5 Danny Baugher P Good Job Danny Boy A
12 Tom Brady QB A few went were they should not have. Not all bad line play C
65 Wesley Britt OT Saw some wiffs. I like the kid but still a D
98 Chad Brown LB And we signed him again because?………..F
95 Kareem Brown DT O.K. But not as good as last week C
54 Tedy Bruschi MLB Not Bad B
87 Reche Caldwell WR This guy will be traded or released. Brady made him in 06. A #4 or #5 WR on most teams F
16 Matt Cassel QB Went backwards. We are in serious DOO-DOO if Brady is ever dinged. Would take either Tenn. back up QB over Matt. D
13 Bam Childress WR Probably won’t stick but a B for attitude
59 Rosevelt Colvin LB Not Bad except the one Young scramble where he looked like a stiff with the I-might-have-wet-feces-in-my-shorts look C
9 Chris Dunlap WR Not thrown too INC
60 Mike Elgin C Not Bad C+
44 Heath Evans FB Two yards and a cloud of smoke and a drop or two C
33 Kevin Faulk RB Good job A
10 Jabar Gaffney WR Not bad but dinged B-
31 Randall Gay Jr. CB Decent B
3 Stephen Gostkowski K Come on kid! D
97 Jarvis Green DE Good game A
7 Matt Gutierrez QB Best of the three for what he had to work with B
37 Rodney Harrison SS Great game but for one missed TE snuck by him B
63 Corey Hilliard OT Yikes! D
27 Ellis Hobbs III CB Just O.K. B-
71 Russ Hochstein OG Hurt INC
53 Larry Izzo LB Decent B
28 Tory James CB I don’t know. Looked very stupid on rushing TD C-
85 Brian Jones TE Camp fodder D
2 C.J. Jones WR Decent night but a gonner C+
77 Nick Kaczur OG Just O.K. C+
19 Kelvin Kight WR See #85 D
67 Dan Koppen C Maybe best OL player last night B+
72 Matt Light OT Inconsistent as usual C
49 Oscar Lua ILB I see why he should have been an UDFA. SP draft miss!
1 Thomas Malone P INC
70 Logan Mankins OG Bad day C-
46 Corey Mays LB Needs to have a back up warning alarm F
38 Brandon Meriweather DB Sorry Cousins. Griffin is much better C-
45 Garrett Mills TE Like the kid but a sure gonner F
24 Mel Mitchell S So-so C-
63b Rashad Moore DL Did he play? INC
34 Sammy Morris RB Decent B
64 Gene Mruczkowski C Gene, not another year to be cut? D
61 Stephen Neal OG Decent B
68 Ryan O'Callaghan OG Average C
76 Clint Oldenburg OT Not too bad C
66 Lonie Paxton C Crappy snap on missed FG C
35 Mike Richardson DB Average C
82 Marcellus Rivers TE Building a case B
51 Justin Rogers DE Best of the rookie class to date B+......Perhaps?
36 James Sanders SS Lots of #36 fans. Sorry but this kid is awful!!!!F
55 Junior Seau LB Good game B+
60b Kenny Smith DT ? D
90 Le Kevin Smith DT Best Pats day of his career B+
42w Quinton Smith RB O.K. C-
18 Donte Stallworth WR O.K. B-
96 Adalius Thomas OLB Good B+
92 Santonio Thomas DL Obscure-Good Bye! D
50 Mike Vrabel OLB Good A-
15 Kelley Washington WR Thrown at one time and should have been PI. Good Special Teams. C
84 Ben Watson TE What was that, over? Awful!!! F
83 Wes Welker WR O.K. C+
38 Dante Wesley CB O.K. C
69 Zach West DL INC
75 Vince Wilfork DT Good game A
26 Eugene Wilson CB O.K. B-
58 Pierre Woods DE Awful, See #46 F
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Cousins,
Here is my rating for each player from this sloppy, disappointing game.
41b Larry Anam DB Did he dress? INC.
23 Willie Andrews S Invisible D
32 Rashad Baker FS Part of the 2nd half waste of the fans' time D
5 Danny Baugher P Good Job Danny Boy A
12 Tom Brady QB A few went were they should not have. Not all bad line play C
65 Wesley Britt OT Saw some wiffs. I like the kid but still a D
98 Chad Brown LB And we signed him again because?………..F
95 Kareem Brown DT O.K. But not as good as last week C
54 Tedy Bruschi MLB Not Bad B
87 Reche Caldwell WR This guy will be traded or released. Brady made him in 06. A #4 or #5 WR on most teams F
16 Matt Cassel QB Went backwards. We are in serious DOO-DOO if Brady is ever dinged. Would take either Tenn. back up QB over Matt. D
13 Bam Childress WR Probably won’t stick but a B for attitude
59 Rosevelt Colvin LB Not Bad except the one Young scramble where he looked like a stiff with the I-might-have-wet-feces-in-my-shorts look C
9 Chris Dunlap WR Not thrown too INC
60 Mike Elgin C Not Bad C+
44 Heath Evans FB Two yards and a cloud of smoke and a drop or two C
33 Kevin Faulk RB Good job A
10 Jabar Gaffney WR Not bad but dinged B-
31 Randall Gay Jr. CB Decent B
3 Stephen Gostkowski K Come on kid! D
97 Jarvis Green DE Good game A
7 Matt Gutierrez QB Best of the three for what he had to work with B
37 Rodney Harrison SS Great game but for one missed TE snuck by him B
63 Corey Hilliard OT Yikes! D
27 Ellis Hobbs III CB Just O.K. B-
71 Russ Hochstein OG Hurt INC
53 Larry Izzo LB Decent B
28 Tory James CB I don’t know. Looked very stupid on rushing TD C-
85 Brian Jones TE Camp fodder D
2 C.J. Jones WR Decent night but a gonner C+
77 Nick Kaczur OG Just O.K. C+
19 Kelvin Kight WR See #85 D
67 Dan Koppen C Maybe best OL player last night B+
72 Matt Light OT Inconsistent as usual C
49 Oscar Lua ILB I see why he should have been an UDFA. SP draft miss!
1 Thomas Malone P INC
70 Logan Mankins OG Bad day C-
46 Corey Mays LB Needs to have a back up warning alarm F
38 Brandon Meriweather DB Sorry Cousins. Griffin is much better C-
45 Garrett Mills TE Like the kid but a sure gonner F
24 Mel Mitchell S So-so C-
63b Rashad Moore DL Did he play? INC
34 Sammy Morris RB Decent B
64 Gene Mruczkowski C Gene, not another year to be cut? D
61 Stephen Neal OG Decent B
68 Ryan O'Callaghan OG Average C
76 Clint Oldenburg OT Not too bad C
66 Lonie Paxton C Crappy snap on missed FG C
35 Mike Richardson DB Average C
82 Marcellus Rivers TE Building a case B
51 Justin Rogers DE Best of the rookie class to date B+......Perhaps?
36 James Sanders SS Lots of #36 fans. Sorry but this kid is awful!!!!F
55 Junior Seau LB Good game B+
60b Kenny Smith DT ? D
90 Le Kevin Smith DT Best Pats day of his career B+
42w Quinton Smith RB O.K. C-
18 Donte Stallworth WR O.K. B-
96 Adalius Thomas OLB Good B+
92 Santonio Thomas DL Obscure-Good Bye! D
50 Mike Vrabel OLB Good A-
15 Kelley Washington WR Thrown at one time and should have been PI. Good Special Teams. C
84 Ben Watson TE What was that, over? Awful!!! F
83 Wes Welker WR O.K. C+
38 Dante Wesley CB O.K. C
69 Zach West DL INC
75 Vince Wilfork DT Good game A
26 Eugene Wilson CB O.K. B-
58 Pierre Woods DE Awful, See #46 F
DW Toys
This is hilarious. One preseason game and you've divined that Griffen is better than Meriweather? Maybe they can hire you to scout next year, so we don't have any of those horrendous 7th round draft misses, like Lua.
And I know you hate James Sanders for no reason, so I just want you to be used to the fact he'll be starting at SS once Harrison hangs em up.
Cousins,
Here is my rating for each player from this sloppy, disappointing game.
41b Larry Anam DB Did he dress? INC.
23 Willie Andrews S Invisible D
32 Rashad Baker FS Part of the 2nd half waste of the fans' time D
5 Danny Baugher P Good Job Danny Boy A
12 Tom Brady QB A few went were they should not have. Not all bad line play C
65 Wesley Britt OT Saw some wiffs. I like the kid but still a D
98 Chad Brown LB And we signed him again because?………..F
95 Kareem Brown DT O.K. But not as good as last week C
54 Tedy Bruschi MLB Not Bad B
87 Reche Caldwell WR This guy will be traded or released. Brady made him in 06. A #4 or #5 WR on most teams F
16 Matt Cassel QB Went backwards. We are in serious DOO-DOO if Brady is ever dinged. Would take either Tenn. back up QB over Matt. D
13 Bam Childress WR Probably won’t stick but a B for attitude
59 Rosevelt Colvin LB Not Bad except the one Young scramble where he looked like a stiff with the I-might-have-wet-feces-in-my-shorts look C
9 Chris Dunlap WR Not thrown too INC
60 Mike Elgin C Not Bad C+
44 Heath Evans FB Two yards and a cloud of smoke and a drop or two C
33 Kevin Faulk RB Good job A
10 Jabar Gaffney WR Not bad but dinged B-
31 Randall Gay Jr. CB Decent B
3 Stephen Gostkowski K Come on kid! D
97 Jarvis Green DE Good game A
7 Matt Gutierrez QB Best of the three for what he had to work with B
37 Rodney Harrison SS Great game but for one missed TE snuck by him B
63 Corey Hilliard OT Yikes! D
27 Ellis Hobbs III CB Just O.K. B-
71 Russ Hochstein OG Hurt INC
53 Larry Izzo LB Decent B
28 Tory James CB I don’t know. Looked very stupid on rushing TD C-
85 Brian Jones TE Camp fodder D
2 C.J. Jones WR Decent night but a gonner C+
77 Nick Kaczur OG Just O.K. C+
19 Kelvin Kight WR See #85 D
67 Dan Koppen C Maybe best OL player last night B+
72 Matt Light OT Inconsistent as usual C
49 Oscar Lua ILB I see why he should have been an UDFA. SP draft miss!
1 Thomas Malone P INC
70 Logan Mankins OG Bad day C-
46 Corey Mays LB Needs to have a back up warning alarm F
38 Brandon Meriweather DB Sorry Cousins. Griffin is much better C-
45 Garrett Mills TE Like the kid but a sure gonner F
24 Mel Mitchell S So-so C-
63b Rashad Moore DL Did he play? INC
34 Sammy Morris RB Decent B
64 Gene Mruczkowski C Gene, not another year to be cut? D
61 Stephen Neal OG Decent B
68 Ryan O'Callaghan OG Average C
76 Clint Oldenburg OT Not too bad C
66 Lonie Paxton C Crappy snap on missed FG C
35 Mike Richardson DB Average C
82 Marcellus Rivers TE Building a case B
51 Justin Rogers DE Best of the rookie class to date B+......Perhaps?
36 James Sanders SS Lots of #36 fans. Sorry but this kid is awful!!!!F
55 Junior Seau LB Good game B+
60b Kenny Smith DT ? D
90 Le Kevin Smith DT Best Pats day of his career B+
42w Quinton Smith RB O.K. C-
18 Donte Stallworth WR O.K. B-
96 Adalius Thomas OLB Good B+
92 Santonio Thomas DL Obscure-Good Bye! D
50 Mike Vrabel OLB Good A-
15 Kelley Washington WR Thrown at one time and should have been PI. Good Special Teams. C
84 Ben Watson TE What was that, over? Awful!!! F
83 Wes Welker WR O.K. C+
38 Dante Wesley CB O.K. C
69 Zach West DL INC
75 Vince Wilfork DT Good game A
26 Eugene Wilson CB O.K. B-
58 Pierre Woods DE Awful, See #46 F
DW Toys
This doesn't belong in this thread... And most of your grades are junk. Especially claiming Watson, who was primarily working on his blocking, was awful.
As for Woods and Sanders, You're friggin insane. How can you grade them an F? Did you even watch the game? They were very solid out there.
Cousin Jack,
I don't hate anybody. I just can't get the picture out of my mind of the last second TD by the Colts. James looked like the doorman. He's a short, small, slow SS and you know he might not be able to cover, but he doesn't well tackle either. Yes, I know about Bob Sanders but James ain't him.
Yes I wouldn't mind being a Pats scout. What's the pay?
Honestly Jack, how do you rate this years draft? Who would you say has played well in either game and I take it into consideration that these are just young kids who are starstruck? I'd give Merriweather no higher than a C.
It's all my opinion anyway and you know what?....My opinion doesn't count so..... I know this was a terrible draft year and said that prior to it but there were four or five that "got away".
Dw Toys
Not only is this an outstandingly intelligent and insightful thread
on a topic of unrivaled importance - the longevity of Tommy Terrific -
but this thorough, yet succinct, classification by DWToys
is a model of its kind.
Don't bother whether you agree with every appraisal DWToys makes.
I don't copy all of them myself.
But clearly he has reviewed a lot of visual information
... digested it ... and organized and summarized his impressions of it for us.
I know this because his critiques cut to the heart of the matter
and carry verisimilitude in some cases exactly because they might be so obscure or contrarian!
As MiguelTheBrit likes to say, i am Here To Learn.
Teach on, Toys!
Cousins,
Here is my rating for each player from this sloppy, disappointing game.
41b Larry Anam DB Did he dress? INC.
23 Willie Andrews S Invisible D
32 Rashad Baker FS Part of the 2nd half waste of the fans' time D
5 Danny Baugher P Good Job Danny Boy A
12 Tom Brady QB A few went were they should not have. Not all bad line play C
65 Wesley Britt OT Saw some wiffs. I like the kid but still a D
98 Chad Brown LB And we signed him again because?………..F
95 Kareem Brown DT O.K. But not as good as last week C
54 Tedy Bruschi MLB Not Bad B
87 Reche Caldwell WR This guy will be traded or released. Brady made him in 06. A #4 or #5 WR on most teams F
16 Matt Cassel QB Went backwards. We are in serious DOO-DOO if Brady is ever dinged. Would take either Tenn. back up QB over Matt. D
13 Bam Childress WR Probably won’t stick but a B for attitude
59 Rosevelt Colvin LB Not Bad except the one Young scramble where he looked like a stiff with the I-might-have-wet-feces-in-my-shorts look C
9 Chris Dunlap WR Not thrown too INC
60 Mike Elgin C Not Bad C+
44 Heath Evans FB Two yards and a cloud of smoke and a drop or two C
33 Kevin Faulk RB Good job A
10 Jabar Gaffney WR Not bad but dinged B-
31 Randall Gay Jr. CB Decent B
3 Stephen Gostkowski K Come on kid! D
97 Jarvis Green DE Good game A
7 Matt Gutierrez QB Best of the three for what he had to work with B
37 Rodney Harrison SS Great game but for one missed TE snuck by him B
63 Corey Hilliard OT Yikes! D
27 Ellis Hobbs III CB Just O.K. B-
71 Russ Hochstein OG Hurt INC
53 Larry Izzo LB Decent B
28 Tory James CB I don’t know. Looked very stupid on rushing TD C-
85 Brian Jones TE Camp fodder D
2 C.J. Jones WR Decent night but a gonner C+
77 Nick Kaczur OG Just O.K. C+
19 Kelvin Kight WR See #85 D
67 Dan Koppen C Maybe best OL player last night B+
72 Matt Light OT Inconsistent as usual C
49 Oscar Lua ILB I see why he should have been an UDFA. SP draft miss!
1 Thomas Malone P INC
70 Logan Mankins OG Bad day C-
46 Corey Mays LB Needs to have a back up warning alarm F
38 Brandon Meriweather DB Sorry Cousins. Griffin is much better C-
45 Garrett Mills TE Like the kid but a sure gonner F
24 Mel Mitchell S So-so C-
63b Rashad Moore DL Did he play? INC
34 Sammy Morris RB Decent B
64 Gene Mruczkowski C Gene, not another year to be cut? D
61 Stephen Neal OG Decent B
68 Ryan O'Callaghan OG Average C
76 Clint Oldenburg OT Not too bad C
66 Lonie Paxton C Crappy snap on missed FG C
35 Mike Richardson DB Average C
82 Marcellus Rivers TE Building a case B
51 Justin Rogers DE Best of the rookie class to date B+......Perhaps?
36 James Sanders SS Lots of #36 fans. Sorry but this kid is awful!!!!F
55 Junior Seau LB Good game B+
60b Kenny Smith DT ? D
90 Le Kevin Smith DT Best Pats day of his career B+
42w Quinton Smith RB O.K. C-
18 Donte Stallworth WR O.K. B-
96 Adalius Thomas OLB Good B+
92 Santonio Thomas DL Obscure-Good Bye! D
50 Mike Vrabel OLB Good A-
15 Kelley Washington WR Thrown at one time and should have been PI. Good Special Teams. C
84 Ben Watson TE What was that, over? Awful!!! F
83 Wes Welker WR O.K. C+
38 Dante Wesley CB O.K. C
69 Zach West DL INC
75 Vince Wilfork DT Good game A
26 Eugene Wilson CB O.K. B-
58 Pierre Woods DE Awful, See #46 F
DW Toys
Man, how closely did you watch the game while grading these players? Tory James got embarrassed on a touchdown pass and on other plays, and you give him a C-, mentioning his play on a rushing touchdown.
Cousin Jack,
I don't hate anybody. I just can't get the picture out of my mind of the last second TD by the Colts. James looked like the doorman. He's a short, small, slow SS and you know he might not be able to cover, but he doesn't well tackle either. Yes, I know about Bob Sanders but James ain't him.
Yes I wouldn't mind being a Pats scout. What's the pay?
Honestly Jack, how do you rate this years draft? Who would you say has played well in either game and I take it into consideration that these are just young kids who are starstruck? I'd give Merriweather no higher than a C.
It's all my opinion anyway and you know what?....My opinion doesn't count so..... I know this was a terrible draft year and said that prior to it but there were four or five that "got away".
Dw Toys
See, this is what I'm talking about.
Practically everything you said about Sanders is flat wrong. There's really no other way to put it.
As for Meriweather, he was a great pick. It's obviously too early to judge the draft as a whole, but I think you have positive signs with players like Rogers, Oldenburg, and Elgin. Kareem Brown has pretty good athleticism, though I suspect it will take him some time to get used to playing in a 3-4 system like the Pats run. If he can get it down, he could be a monster. Again, you're just off-base -- I don't know what else to tell you.
Last edited by JackBauer; 08-19-2007 at 10:02 AM..
Cousin Jack,
He is short, he is slow and his coverage is suspect as anyone can attest. Nobody denies that. Will he develop? I don't know, I am just a guy not a coach or scout. Lets keep this in perspective. There was a #44 named Dallas Clark a TE that gained almost 150 yds in the Playoffs. In most cases that was Sanders man. I appreciate your ernest concern for a player that you so admire. I respect that. He was just physically overwelmed in the playoff game and he has done nothing in the first two contests. A little concern here. Look at the Titan game tape on the TD over James. Was not Sanders inside help supposedly? There was not inside safety help within ten yards. James took the whole "bad" on that play.
Then that stunt at the goal line on the Playoff game was almost as if he Adai had cooties.That Jack, was unforgiveable. If he wiffed or Adai bounced off, it happens but please watch the tape. Sanders steps out of his way!!!!! at the 2 yard line. Sanders could be a Probowler this year and I will still remember that play.
But in the long run it makes no difference what either one of us says does it?
Offbase? Perhaps. Observant? More so, but in my humble opinion only. I do surender to you if you so choose, sir.
DW Toys
Cousin,
You are very correct with your observations, but he also had a few decent plays including one nice pass break up. Look at the Titan game tape on the TD over James. Was not Sanders inside help supposedly? There was no inside safety help within ten yards. James took the whole "bad" on that play. The running play was stupid and no excuse. The passing TD was a little more complex.That's why I grade him as C- .
I appreciate your response though. I am just a guy observing what I see. I am not saying I am more observant here than you or anyone.
Best,
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