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Old 06-01-2007, 01:20 PM   #111
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The comparison makes perfect sense. Basically, what Pats1 was saying is that the Patriots do NOT make judgements based on 1 game or even 2 games. They make judgements based on what you have shown throughout.
It doesn't make sense because they like what they saw from Gaffney. He's still here. This time way back in 2002, Jermaine Wiggins was with the Panthers.

Lawyer Milloy would object to your last sentence.
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Old 06-01-2007, 01:25 PM   #112
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The differene is all of those others are not realistically cutable and you know it. Caldwell is. And he can be replaced with a player of the same ability. The others cannot.
No the other one was promoted to starting RB. So why aren't you arguing in threads that the Pats are crazy to go into the season with Maroney as their lead RB after his performance in the AFC Championship Game.

Tell me. Do you want the Pats to start Maroney? Or should they try to get Chris Brown and try to make him a starter over Maroney?
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Old 06-01-2007, 01:30 PM   #113
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That's the same coverage Gaffney will draw next season, so it's fine by me.

But I'm still just amazed at how many Pats fans praise the mediocrity of Caldwell's 2006 season. I guess I'm just not as impressed with an average WR collecting stats by default.
Totall wrong when watson went down and he was facing the #2 CB in regualr season he absolutely did nothing.so in your logic you are hopeing that 1)no wr or te will be injured so he will never face good corner 2)he will never play in rotation taking on #2 CB

I know cadwelll can face #1 corners and #2 corners and still catch like a #2 WR and also looking from watson and playoff that gaffney can produce only when a #3 CB /Nickel is playing against him .Even a #2 CB steps in [when watson went down] he will be totally ineffective.

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Old 06-01-2007, 01:49 PM   #114
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It doesn't make sense because they like what they saw from Gaffney. He's still here. This time way back in 2002, Jermaine Wiggins was with the Panthers.

Lawyer Milloy would object to your last sentence.
No, Milloy wouldn't because his last year here, 2002, was his worst season as a pro. No Sacks. No ints. No forced fumbles. No fumbles recovered. Also, Milloy refused to renegotiate his contract when the Pats needed some 2.5 million in cap space to get under the cap because of the injuries that they had suffered in camp. They couldn't cut Ted Johnson or Willie McGinest because they had already re-negotiated their contracts. The only other person they could have cut was Ty Law and that wasn't happening.

And yes, it does make sense when you look at it as explained and not in the FINALITY you want it to be. It makes SENSE when you view it as the PROCESS and not the final decision.
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Gaffney was non-existent for many of the 11 games that he played in during the regular season. Why do you and others pretend like he was a factor then.

Gaffney had 2 good games the entire year. And they happened to be in the play-offs against the Jets and Chargers. But to discount Caldwell during that time is pretty ridiculous.
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Caldwell definitely outplayed him in training camp, I'll give you that. Gaffney was invisible.
WOW!! That was a joke.

Only on this forum could a player with a whole pre season who is getting all the chance in the world to shine due to Gabriel getting cut be compared head to head with a player that didn't even exist, according to NFL.com game logs until October 22.

Of course this is a very simple offense that anyone can pick up in their spare time so Gaffney must be a dummy not to start getting 10 catch games until the playoffs.

And yes, I do believe Asante Samuel had a better regular season than Rashad Baker. Anybody want to argue?
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Old 06-02-2007, 10:02 AM   #116
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If my sarcasm is still a little too subtle for some, please let me know and I'll try to be more obvious.
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Old 06-02-2007, 10:36 AM   #117
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Gaffney!!! I thought he came in and played very well on short notice, especially in the playoffs.
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Gaffney!!! I thought he came in and played very well on short notice, especially in the playoffs.
So now we're punishing Caldwell for being a coveted free agent by the Pats who exceeded expectations?

Gaffney right now has a 15 vote lead over Caldwell.

You'd think everyone in here is a Red Sox fan, considering this man love for the flavor of the month.

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So now we're punishing Caldwell for being a coveted free agent by the Pats who exceeded expectations?

Gaffney right now has a 15 vote lead over Caldwell.

You'd think everyone in here is a Red Sox fan, considering this man love for the flavor of the month.

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Good objective analysis here.
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WOW!! That was a joke.

Only on this forum could a player with a whole pre season who is getting all the chance in the world to shine due to Gabriel getting cut be compared head to head with a player that didn't even exist, according to NFL.com game logs until October 22.

Of course this is a very simple offense that anyone can pick up in their spare time so Gaffney must be a dummy not to start getting 10 catch games until the playoffs.

And yes, I do believe Asante Samuel had a better regular season than Rashad Baker. Anybody want to argue?
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A few corrections. Gabriel wasn't cut until December 13th so to say that Caldwell was being given a chance to shine because Gabriel was gone is wrong.

Next, Gaffney was signed October 10th. So, there was approximately 11 games that Gaffney was active for prior to the play-offs. Yes, I DO give him some leeway (8 games - what it took Caldwell to find his groove).

How many catches did Gaffney get against the Colts? 3.

Comparing Rashad Baker, a safety, to Samuel, a starting corner is just stupid and has no relevance.
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