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Re: Have the Patriots ever started a D this young?
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Originally Posted by PATSYLICIOUS
1996 was the only defense I can think of that even comes close.
Milloy, Bru were rookies
Law, TJ had 1 year experience
Slade, McGinnest had 3 years
Big play Clay, Otis, Todd Collins, Mike Jones and the rest of the regulars either had 4 or 5 years max
Too lazy to do the math but even that is not quite as young as this one.
Jimmy HitchCAWK had 5 starts and two interceptions in his second year.
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Re: Have the Patriots ever started a D this young?
I think the better question should be, have they ever had a starting defense look this bad?
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Originally Posted by AndyJohnson
Bobby Grier thanks you for the complement.
Never understood how Parcells gets credit for the players that were drafted when he quit because he wasn't allowed to make the draft picks.
He rebuilt the Cowboys defense in like a year or two at the max.
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Re: Have the Patriots ever started a D this young?
Interesting the Eagles' starting CBs are the former Pats starters - Asante and Ellis Hobbs. Of course Asante would've cost a bundle, and Ohrnberger and especially Paxton (who in essence we traded Hobbs him for) are solid, but CB is such an important position.
Re: Have the Patriots ever started a D this young?
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Originally Posted by Satchboogie3
He said median, not mean. The median is the middle number (13 players ranging from 0-7 years experience, the middle guy is the 7th guy, who has 1 year experience) and in this case 1 year. The mean is the average, which is 2.15 as you said.
FWIW the mode is 1 year as well. Now we have all three measures of central tendency. Anybody up for calculating the standard deviation?
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Re: Have the Patriots ever started a D this young?
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Originally Posted by AndyJohnson
Bobby Grier thanks you for the complement.
Never understood how Parcells gets credit for the players that were drafted when he quit because he wasn't allowed to make the draft picks.
Well, they were making picks together. i wondered about that myself, so i put Bruschi and "Parcells drafted" into a search and it came up with this...
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It’s funny because Tedy’s first year here was my first year in ’96 when Bill [Parcells] drafted him in the third round out of Arizona...
[He was] the all-time Pac-10 sack leader coming into the NFL [and] we’re going to make him a linebacker. We don’t really know what to do with him. We’ve never seen him do anything but rush the passer, but we didn’t really think he could do that at this position in this league, so he became a player that transformed himself from a great, great college player to a great NFL player.
Belichick is pretty precise with his language. We'll never know exactly who influenced what picks, but i think circumstantially, there seems a pretty dramatic break with the quality of players, especially on defense.
Re: Have the Patriots ever started a D this young?
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Originally Posted by HEY BRO! WHAT UP?
I think the better question should be, have they ever had a starting defense look this bad?
The 1970-75, 1981, 1989-92, and 1995 Pats all say hello.
I ran into a response to another 'have the Pats ever' question in another thread, and the response was that I should have known that the topic was in reference to teams during the Belichick era. If that is indeed again the case - which I am hesitant to assume - then it is no wonder that fans of other teams accuse Pats fans of being bandwagoners and Johnny-come-latelys. When some Pats fans use the wording of 'in Pats history' to mean 'in the BB era', no wonder others assume none of us followed the team prior to 2001.
And if you are referring to the Belichick era, the 2002 and 2005 Pats say hello also.
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Originally Posted by HEY BRO! WHAT UP
He rebuilt the Cowboys defense in like a year or two at the max.
The statement you responded to had nothing to do with what did or did not happen in Dallas. I'd love to hear an explanation of what a great job Grier did in New England; it sounds as if you think he was better than those in his place currently in Foxboro.
Re: Have the Patriots ever started a D this young?
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Originally Posted by Ron Sellers
The 1970-75, 1981, 1989-92, and 1995 Pats all say hello.
I ran into a response to another 'have the Pats ever' question in another thread, and the response was that I should have known that the topic was in reference to teams during the Belichick era. If that is indeed again the case - which I am hesitant to assume - then it is no wonder that fans of other teams accuse Pats fans of being bandwagoners and Johnny-come-latelys. When some Pats fans use the wording of 'in Pats history' to mean 'in the BB era', no wonder others assume none of us followed the team prior to 2001.
And if you are referring to the Belichick era, the 2002 and 2005 Pats say hello also.
The statement you responded to had nothing to do with what did or did not happen in Dallas. I'd love to hear an explanation of what a great job Grier did in New England; it sounds as if you think he was better than those in his place currently in Foxboro.
Good post. I think the anticipation of this season is definitely showing us who the pink-hat fans among us really are. For me personally, "ever" started in 1986, when I first started watching football, so while I can't comment on teams from before that era from a personal standpoint, I can say with great certainty that I've seen several teams worse than this one since then.
I wouldn't pay attention to his rants too much. He pretty much takes any opportunity to bash BB. I think he takes his talking points from the guy in my siggy.
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Re: Have the Patriots ever started a D this young?
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Originally Posted by HEY BRO! WHAT UP?
He rebuilt the Cowboys defense in like a year or two at the max.
Which illustrates why Parcels had to be fired in NE. Kraft was catching on about building a team for the long term, to have year over year shot at a SB win. Oddly, one of his models was the Cowboys.
Parcels was looking out for his legacy and wanted another SB win with another franchise to cement himself as a great coach. This reshaped his personnel philosophy, and he was willing to give up a lot long term for short term gain.
The Cowboys lost the thread on long term, and started going for big-ego, flash in the pan success. Dez Bryant is the latest example. Parcels was all too happy to go there and take a short term shot at success. And both failed then, and continue to fail - no SB win, which is the only measure of success for both.
Meanwhile, the Krafts succeeded wildly.
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Re: Have the Patriots ever started a D this young?
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