RayClay

By your logic, Monty Beisel is still on the team. He was, BB praised him. It couldn't have been a mistake.

You might want to hone your skills before you try out for the debating team.

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skaIownsIyou

ST is consisted of mainly back up DB's and back up LB's....since off a kick or punt, they have the necessary speed and tackling ability to make the tackle or keep the ball inside the 20 in a punt...

dline are used to pass rush the qb, qb's often take 3 drop or 5 drop steps, thats about 5-10 yards at most, it doenst take explosive speed to get down 5-10, and dline are also used to clog holes so in the event of a run, the back will have nowhere to go as the holes are close

i'll use colts d vs pats d

in the pats 3-4 defense, its used to stop the run...the dline doesnt have the speed of mathis or freeney, but they're bigger, can clog holes, which allows the 4 linebackers to move in and tackle the back for a loss

thats the problem with DE's these days, they're smaller, you see guys coming out of the draft 6'3" 265 lbs...thats a LB 10 years ago, and they'remore focussed on getting to the QB as opposed to stopping the run....in a hb draw play freeney will be bullrushing to get to brady, but he only realizes that maroney is 5-10 yards down the field the other way....thats why the colts run defense was terrible....mathis and freeney were both trying to pincer the qb, so they often times created bigger holes in the trenches....only until the 8th man (bob sanders or anyother safety) comes rushing into the box to close that hole freeney and mathis left....

in the pats defense, you dont need a safety to rush into the box, as the three downlinemen are there to stop the run, of course they'll be bull rushing for the qb, but for the most time, the three down are waiting "at home" clogging up holes, like 6'6" 300 pound linemen, like you know who, there are 4 LB's that are in coverage to recognize a draw or a running play, which allows the lb's to make the stop....thats why BB stress's LBs who can tackle, not LB's who have the speed...

RayClay

Seymour and Wright both play or played special teams. There are different units. considering his lack of usefulness, the 6'6" Hill would be a natural on field goal units. Seymour and Green have both blocked kicks, I believe. I know Seymour has.

In our version of the 3-4, the linebackers rush and the DL tie up the OL so the LB can make tackles and rush.

Our DLinemen are all quality, so they have good quickness for huge men. they are all capable of rushing effectively, but that is not their primary role.

Green is a pass rusher when we go 4-3 only, I think.

I'm tired of the Hill thing. I really thought someone was going to say what role he had, but that's not happening.

The only reason Hill is on the team is his size, agility quotient. He must have shown some indication he could move and he could be a late blooming huge guy.

That's it. As long as there is not a roster squeeze, BB might hang on to him hoping he'll show something and be a player, or at least tradeable.

Can't coach size.

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pats1

My point exactly. Hochstein doesn't backup one particular starter.

BB may disagree.

And so you, who I'm assuming wasn't there for every practice says he didn't hustle in camp.

Yet, the person who was there (and evaluated every play on film) obviously believes Hill deserves to be on the roster instead of Thomas.

Great rebuttal.

You're backing away at every opportunity.

Instead of making baseless statements?

My bad.

Never did I use any quotes from BB in my argument. I simply used the fact of a player being or not being on the roster.

skaIownsIyou

oh right i was talking about like kick offs ahh my bad....

pats1

And that proves nothing. In 3 out of the 4 games Hill was active, Wright and Seymour were also, so there's no way he could have taken their jobs.

The Pats very, very rarely go 4-3.

You will see them in a 4-2 nickel or 3-3 nickel or 2-4 nickel, but never a true "4-3." Again, you're looking at this way too simply. The Pats have all different types of fronts and packages. Usually, their nickel package consists of a 4-man line with Colvin and Vrabel at rush-end and Seymour and Green as interior rushers. Other times, they drop Vrabel or Colvin back. Sometimes, they'll go with their regular 3-man front (Warren, Seymour, Wilfork), and just take out a LB (3-2 nickel). And they have just as many dime fronts.

Open your eyes.

Surely.

jbb9s

Do you think the Pats could have 5 or 6 probowlers on defense this year?

Seymore
Thomas
Warren
Wilfork
Samuel
Colvin