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upstater1 · 03-03-2007, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by chowder

would you be convinced if that 2nd was for a player that ended up being like marquise hill or bethel johnson? I think Welker and Curtis are both good players, but Welker's versatility in the return game and ST makes him worth a 2nd and he is additionally a known commodity. Plus, he won't be torching us again in any games like he did last year.

But I'm about as convinced by that argument as I am by the argument that it's dumb to trade a 2nd for a player because we traded a 2nd for Duane Starks.

zippo59 · 03-03-2007, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by upstater1

But I'm about as convinced by that argument as I am by the argument that it's dumb to trade a 2nd for a player because we traded a 2nd for Duane Starks.

I belive we traded a third for Starks.

upstater1 · 03-03-2007, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by chowder

would you be convinced if that 2nd was for a player that ended up being like marquise hill or bethel johnson? I think Welker and Curtis are both good players, but Welker's versatility in the return game and ST makes him worth a 2nd and he is additionally a known commodity. Plus, he won't be torching us again in any games like he did last year.

But I'm about as convinced by that argument as I am by the argument that it's dumb to trade a 2nd for a player because we traded a 2nd for Duane Starks.

Look, for many years we've convinced ourselves that the Belichick method is geting players through the draft so that you don't have to pay them big $$$. That's where you save money so that you can keep a few core veterans while letting the others go.

I'm firmly convinced that in the NFL, championships are won on draft day.

That being said, I'm concerned now that with the new CBA, Belichick has realized that you probably only get 2 years of solid production from a drafted player that you hit on. Think of Bruschi in his 4th year. And BB has maybe changed his operating procedure because he realizes the best value is now in free agency. I'[m concerned because the priorities are different, and this is virgin territory for the Patriots.

***feelthepain*** · 03-04-2007, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by spacecrime

If he is an RFA then he is going into this fourth season.

His Rookie season is 04...you do the math.

PatsFaninAZ · 03-04-2007, 01:05 AM

I don't know whether it's worth the pick or not, but the difference between these two guys is obviously returning kicks. One of them has more than 5,000 return yards in 3 years, and the other has fewer than 200 in 4 years. Belichick seems to like multi-tool players.

I kind of think it's funny readng so many posts about whether this move or that move is consistent with the patriot's philosophy. At the end of the day, I think Belichick has one philosphy, and it can't be easily captured in overly-simpistic one-liners about "value," or "drafting the best available player," or "not overspending in free agency."

I think Belichick understands that building a football team involves a spectrum of choices, and each comes with its own cost, it's own risk, and its own reward. I think his dominating philosophy is simply to make the choice that helps the team at any given time, given the cards he's already holding. Some years that will be X, some years Y, but the fact that it's X for a few doesn't mean it's never going to be Y.

***Patjew*** · 03-04-2007, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by feelthepain

His Rookie season is 04...you do the math.

That means this will be his fourth season.

TheBostonStraggler · 03-04-2007, 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by PatsFaninAZ

I don't know whether it's worth the pick or not, but the difference between these two guys is obviously returning kicks. One of them has more than 5,000 return yards in 3 years, and the other has fewer than 200 in 4 years. Belichick seems to like multi-tool players.

I kind of think it's funny readng so many posts about whether this move or that move is consistent with the patriot's philosophy. At the end of the day, I think Belichick has one philosphy, and it can't be easily captured in overly-simpistic one-liners about "value," or "drafting the best available player," or "not overspending in free agency."

I think Belichick understands that building a football team involves a spectrum of choices, and each comes with its own cost, it's own risk, and its own reward. I think his dominating philosophy is simply to make the choice that helps the team at any given time, given the cards he's already holding. Some years that will be X, some years Y, but the fact that it's X for a few doesn't mean it's never going to be Y.

I agree. And it doesn't "seem" that BB likes multi-tool players; BB likes and covets guys who can contribute at more than one position. Give him a guy who can give solid production in an offensive or defensive spot AND give him solid production on ST's. Add to that high character and high motivation. That is a BB guy. Hey, he may be a bust. The whole thing is a crap shoot ultimately. That said, I am perplexed at the complaints. This is a totally new year in the NFL. Countless teams are swimming in extra cap space. The Patriots added a guy who caught nearly 70 passes with the QB deficient Phins. What the heck is this guy going to do with Brady throwing to him?? We added a much needed solid WR. Further, we still have 2 1's and a 2 to draft with. Plus the contract numbers seem unlikely to add up to as much as being stated. Finally, those complaining have no idea what the status of KCurtis is or his value as determined by the Patriot FO. He may be valued mesurably lower than Welker. He may have no desire to play in New England or play for the Patriots. Bottom line, the Patriots just added a good and needed piece to the puzzle. Quit your *****ing and moaning, have faith, and wait and see what this guy can bring to the Patriot table. BB/SP do not just throw millions at a guy unless they really think he has something of value to bring to that table.