FTR, just to be fair... - Page 5 - New England Patriots Forums

patsox23 · 02-22-2007, 01:12 AM

Right, the SITUATION isn't fair, not Ian. Ian is being perfectly fair. If he decides, knowing ALL the facts, that NEM still deserves to be banned, then so be it. THAT'S fair.

You are randomly taking this personally on behalf of Ian. Ian's a big boy - and a good deal smarter than you, as I'm quite certain he will realize the difference between a situation not being fair and a PERSON not being fair. I'm sorry you have been unable to understand my perfectly clear point.

SoonerPatriot · 02-22-2007, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by PF1996

You're not new to this forum so I'm curious as to what you expect out of this post? The immature clowns who poked at NEM for weeks after his pointless apology aren't going to acknowledge their immaturity. Not after their behaviour was rewarded with the outcome they wanted. While it's sad that there are people like them in this world - there's nothing that you or I can do to change that fact. It's too bad that NEM never recognised this and it ultimately led to his expulsion.

You're stepping into NEM's role quite nicely. (golf clap)

***Deus Irae*** · 02-22-2007, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by patsox23

Right, the SITUATION isn't fair, not Ian. Ian is being perfectly fair. If he decides, knowing ALL the facts, that NEM still deserves to be banned, then so be it. THAT'S fair.

You are randomly taking this personally on behalf of Ian. Ian's a big boy - and a good deal smarter than you, as I'm quite certain he will realize the difference between a situation not being fair and a PERSON not being fair. I'm sorry you have been unable to understand my perfectly clear point.

Yes, attacking people's intelligence is a good way to avoid flame wars. Sheer genius.....

Bottom line: NEM's neighbor said NEM had posted under his account. Unless you have evidence that the neighbor was lying, delusional or just mistaken, your post is nothing but a public complaint that should have been made to Ian via pm. I agree that people tried to egg NEM on once he was banished, and I called one of them out for it. That doesn't justify NEM's actions, nor does it excuse them.

PATRIOTS-80 · 02-22-2007, 01:20 AM

Patsox23, if NEM just would of stayed in the political forum ... Ian probably would of let him back in the fold by kickoff. But when NEM admitted he snuck in the football forum and posted, Ian really had no choice.

PATRIOTS-80 · 02-22-2007, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by SoonerPatriot

You're stepping into NEM's role quite nicely. (golf clap)

and to think, he's just a Rams fan who thinks Bulger is better than Brady.

patsox23 · 02-22-2007, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by CheerforTom

I don't think Patsox's intention was to ever slight Ian. The OP struck me as someone trying to get across all the facts to everyone on the boards, not just Ian. You make it sound like his post was "Ian was wrong make him change!", he was just trying to present all the facts. Whether or not he did a good job of that is another issue, but I'm not seeing this huge disrespect. When he says "to be fair", he's saying that the general opinion of the NEM situation hasn't been altogether complete. You're the one who brings in all the Ian stuff.

I liked the post Patsox, though I don't agree that NEM shouldn't have been banned, if that is what you were saying (sorry if it's not).

Thanks, CFT. It's buoying to hear that people can take the thread in the way it was intended AND disagree in a way that is both respectful and productive. I really sincerely appreciate the sanity you've brought to the thread.

SoonerPatriot · 02-22-2007, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by PATRIOTS-80

and to think, he's just a Rams fan who thinks Bulger is better than Brady.

There's absolutely some sort of obsession with Bulger there. I imagine the walls of his home covered with Marc Bulger FatHeads. I was going to link to a Marc Bulger FatHead, turns out, Bulger is so good they don't even make one. Only Tory Holt.

I'll say this for NEM, there was a certain entertainment value there. This guy just keeps repeating the same thing, Brady's in decline, then says he didn't say that.

patsox23 · 02-22-2007, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Deus Irae

Yes, attacking people's intelligence is a good way to avoid flame wars.

You're right, I shouldn't have done that. But eventually, Digger's attitude and insistence on short-sightedness can wear you down. I shouldn't have stooped to that level. Your entire post was fair, thanks for weighing in.

PF1996 · 02-22-2007, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by patsox23

You make a fair point. I don't know what I expect. Appealing to people's better angels doesn't often work, especially with people who were being immature and disingenuous jerks to begin with. I guess I just wanted to try and appeal to people, anyway. To maybe give a fresh perspective. I figured it couldn't hurt to at least try to plead the guy's case. I think he deserves it. And I know some of the stuff he's dealing with, family wise, right now, and I feel really badly for him.

Well, I guess by now you have probably recognised the futility of your attempt - no matter how well intentioned, as posts such as Digger's illustrate. You just cannot change the nature of people who are intolerant, immature and who pretend to lack command of the English language in order to perpetuate falsehoods. It's ironic that they didn't think it was "disrespectful" when THEY were whining about how Ian allowing NEM continued access to the board was making the board go to ruin and demanding that Ian do something about it. I even recall one describing Ian as a "slum landlord". No disrespect in that term, whatsoever

However, once Ian does something that they DO agree with, then anyone who voices a different opinion is "disrespectful"

For what it's worth - I agree with you. However, Ian is the owner and it's only his opinion as to what is fair which matters. This might be a good break for NEM if he really has health and family problems. There are several in here who wouldn't have any problem with knowing that they caused him to go over the edge so this could actually work out for the best for him.

PATRIOTS-80 · 02-22-2007, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by PF1996

Well, I guess by now you have probably recognised the futility of your attempt - no matter how well intentioned, as posts such as Digger's illustrate. You just cannot change the nature of people who are intolerant, immature and who pretend to lack command of the English language in order to perpetuate falsehoods. It's ironic that they didn't think it was "disrespectful" when THEY were whining about how Ian allowing NEM continued access to the board was making the board go to ruin and demanding that Ian do something about it. I even recall one describing Ian as a "slum landlord". No disrespect in that term, whatsoever

However, once Ian does something that they DO agree with, then anyone who voices a different opinion is "disrespectful"

For what it's worth - I agree with you. However, Ian is the owner and it's only his opinion as to what is fair which matters. This might be a good break for NEM if he really has health and family problems. There are several in here who wouldn't have any problem with knowing that they caused him to go over the edge so this could actually work out for the best for him.

are you british? Because only the English would spell it "recognised."