MoLewisrocks

Yup, and he ain't gonna play for free (even though he should...) after 2007 just because they gave him a lot of bonus money that is just a fleeting memory where Tom Condon is concerned...

And if the Colts don't win next Sunday it may make it tough to expand their cash flow even with a new luxury box filled taxpayer funded stadium coming on line in 2008. He's got to sell those boxes in 2007, which could be a rough year for the Colts win or lose looking at how all but one recent Superbowl participant has fared in the aftermath of their appearance...

pats1

If the Colts lose, everything goes back to where it was, especially if the Pats defeat the Colts in their matchup next year.

Miguel

IMO, Manning is among the best at QB today. And going into 2007 he will be widely considered (maybe not on this board) to be among the best at his position, the most important position.

Let me be perfectly clear.

As soon as Manning stops one of the top players at his position, the days of his seeing Top 5 money will soon end. Do I know when Manning will stop being among the best at his position??No. Does anyone on this board know??? No. Do I think that it is likely that Manning will remain among the best at his position for a couple more years??

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Miguel

You and MLR are using the word "if" a lot. A certain someone (someone that I respect greatly) wrote on this board on 12/19/2006 "If you take away the first floor of a building, you no longer have a building any more.

On a serious note, IMO, once PM is no longer a Top 5 player, then the Colts will no longer be a serious SB contender. Hall of Fame quarterbacks do not come by that often. Please note that I also think that once Brady is no longer a Top 5 player, then the Pats will no longer be a serious SB contender.

I have been saying for years now that I have yet to see a team get into cap trouble paying Top 5 players Top 5 money. Teams get into trouble when they overpay for players. Is Manning worth $11 million in new money in 2007??I say yes. Is Harrison worth $4 million in new money in 2007?? IMO, that is a bargain price for him.

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pats1

Yes, yes, a certain someone...

I agree with the first point, but not the second.

I'll still stick with the Pats' philosophy that brought the Lombardi home in 2001.

everlong

I think the Colts have shown a history of letting the LBs walk. Washington, Triplet, Thorton, Petersen being the big names. I think based on history we can assume June and Morris would be the players they would not give the big contact too. If they can sign them for a reasonable price they would do so. They probably view this position much like the Pats do the O-line where they figure they can get value in the draft and coach the players up to fit the system really quickly. If they can sign players for a value like the Pats did with Light, Koppen, or Neil then great, if they want big money like Woody or above value like Ashworth or Andruzzi then bye-bye.

There are a lot of 3-4 LBs to be found in the later rounds compared to other positions and they can troll the FA market and get a player who's 95% of the skill at 50% the cost. So it makes sense for them.

So they give RFA contracts to Lilja, David and Scott that's 3M or so and their rookies is 1.5M. So that's basically their cap space as it stands.

They re-do some deals for 10M and get deals done with Freeney and Harper that accounts for another 7M and they get Utecht done for another 1M. Leaving them 2M, maybe more depending on what they can get done.

June and Morris walk.

They're still a playoff team, but unless they hit on the draft with immediate impact players, and they have no second round pick, they are certainly a weaker team.

They have also put more debt on the back end. The good news for them is the cap is going up the next three years by a good percentage. So unlike the Titans who had to blow it up they will be able to maintain but can they get better?

It will be interesting to watch.

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Mainefan

I feel exactly as if I've been listening to a group of physicists discussing string theory. I have great respect for all of you and I thank you for illuminating an aspect of professional football about which the average fan, even the fairly obsessive fan (like me) understands only to the point that he knows he doesn't understand it. It's discussions like this that lift PatsFans.com into the stratosphere.

pats1

Larry Tripplett is a DT.

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/302232

everlong

You're correct my bad.

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