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NYCPatsFan · 01-24-2007, 10:34 AM

Given the heat-induced fatigue (I wonder why our coaches never anticipated that, especially given the Colts' penchant for doing anything) and the fact that many players were not 100% fit (like Faulk) and some did play in key plays in the second half (like Colvin and Hawkins), I am not viewing this as a collapse.

I am glad that ProJo voiced their concern if this is Brady's last SB. Hopefully this will be enough to get TB fired up for a few more SBs.

***The Dog*** · 01-24-2007, 11:54 AM

The fact of the matter is Brady lost the game for the Pats. He didn't make any big plays when they needed him most. He more often than not threw the ball short when the needed more yards. Go back and look at the 3rd down conversion rate in the playoffs. It was atrocious. The fact of the matter is Brady was carried by the team in the past. That is no longer the case. Now Brady needs to step up, and he isn't good enough.

jcdavey · 01-24-2007, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dog

The fact of the matter is Brady lost the game for the Pats. He didn't make any big plays when they needed him most. He more often than not threw the ball short when the needed more yards. Go back and look at the 3rd down conversion rate in the playoffs. It was atrocious. The fact of the matter is Brady was carried by the team in the past. That is no longer the case. Now Brady needs to step up, and he isn't good enough.

only real difference aside from the massive blown lead , with the chargers and colts game is, one marlon didn't have a clue about ball security after an int, and the other marlin did

brady throwing ints on late 4th qtr drives is rare yet it happened in consecutive weeks and now 3 times in brady's last 4 playoff games (and 2 of the times , sealed losses), marlon mccree (with a huge assist by troy brown) basically allowed the pats to allow the colts to get to the sb....it's sickening.

***richpats*** · 01-24-2007, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dog

The fact of the matter is Brady was carried by the team in the past. That is no longer the case. Now Brady needs to step up, and he isn't good enough.

What a joke. Remember the Oakland playoff game? How 'bout SB36? Or SB38? Or the '04 AFC title game in Pittsburgh? Or the final drive against SD?
I seem to remember him "stepping up" on those occasions.

I wonder if anyone thought he wasn't "good enough" when NE was up 21-3.

WestPat · 01-24-2007, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dog

The fact of the matter is Brady lost the game for the Pats. He didn't make any big plays when they needed him most. He more often than not threw the ball short when the needed more yards. Go back and look at the 3rd down conversion rate in the playoffs. It was atrocious. The fact of the matter is Brady was carried by the team in the past. That is no longer the case. Now Brady needs to step up, and he isn't good enough.

you are a bloody idiot...that's all!

***The Dog*** · 01-24-2007, 02:17 PM

Against SD he was awful. He was constantly completing passes on 3 rd down far short of the needed yards. He had happy feet all day. He got saved by Troy Brown. In the other games to which you refer he was carried by special teams td's and defensive td's not to mention the magic foot of Adam. Yes it is true brady can lead the team to big fg's just not td's. Get your heads out of your butts and look at reality. He stunk against Denver last year, SD and Indy this year. Why? Because he was asked to do more than he had to in the past and he just isn't that good. All he can do and ever did is manage a game.

***richpats*** · 01-24-2007, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dog

Against SD he was awful. He was constantly completing passes on 3 rd down far short of the needed yards. He had happy feet all day. He got saved by Troy Brown. In the other games to which you refer he was carried by special teams td's and defensive td's not to mention the magic foot of Adam. Yes it is true brady can lead the team to big fg's just not td's. Get your heads out of your butts and look at reality. He stunk against Denver last year, SD and Indy this year. Why? Because he was asked to do more than he had to in the past and he just isn't that good. All he can do and ever did is manage a game.

So what does that make Manning? He only racked up a signature playoff performance this past week!

***Born in the Bronx*** · 01-24-2007, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dog

Against SD he was awful. He was constantly completing passes on 3 rd down far short of the needed yards. He had happy feet all day. He got saved by Troy Brown. In the other games to which you refer he was carried by special teams td's and defensive td's not to mention the magic foot of Adam. Yes it is true brady can lead the team to big fg's just not td's. Get your heads out of your butts and look at reality. He stunk against Denver last year, SD and Indy this year. Why? Because he was asked to do more than he had to in the past and he just isn't that good. All he can do and ever did is manage a game.

Wow! The Dog puts the smackdown on TB.

Just out of curiosity, are you a Pats fan, The Dog?

jcdavey · 01-24-2007, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dog

Against SD he was awful. He was constantly completing passes on 3 rd down far short of the needed yards. He had happy feet all day. He got saved by Troy Brown. In the other games to which you refer he was carried by special teams td's and defensive td's not to mention the magic foot of Adam. Yes it is true brady can lead the team to big fg's just not td's. Get your heads out of your butts and look at reality. He stunk against Denver last year, SD and Indy this year. Why? Because he was asked to do more than he had to in the past and he just isn't that good. All he can do and ever did is manage a game.

that's crazy talk, his wrs are crap compared to what they used to be, any qb would suffer with reche as your #1 wr, hell the fact brady got NE as far as he did makes him the best qb in the nfl.

everlong · 01-24-2007, 04:03 PM

Givens and Branch both had 2+ drops each in the Denver game. Brown fumbled, faulk fumbled, Vinitieri missed a FG, Brady threw two picks but one Bailey made a great pick, the other was a desperation pass. Brady was not the issue in this game.

If you wanted to say Brady was the problem the SD game was probably the one. I've never seen him miss so many open receivers. The talking heads keep talking about the chances the Chargers missed but Brady missed both Gaffney and Watson for TDs and a bunch of other passes were off target.

The play calling in the second half of the Colts game was very suspect.

If you took away Harrison and Wayne (who are better than Givens and Branch to begin with) and gave Manning Caldwell and Gabriel then added Gaffney half way through the year what type of numbers would he have put up and how far would have the Colts gone?

Not very far at all.