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***PatsWickedPissah*** · 01-06-2007, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by eifmp

Of course the Patriots would win that matchup...but in the second game the Pats could only manage one sack in the muck and slop. I just want to illiustrate to some patriots fans a part of the improvement I am referring to about the Jets. 1st game 4 sacks...2nd game 1 sack and I don't want to hear the Ty Warren was absent stuff. Was he the defensive player of the month in the AFC? Yes... is he Aaron Schobel? No! No way is Ty Warren a three sack diffrerence maker.

PWP: Then put your hands over your ears because Ty was the difference maker along with an injured Big Sey who was pulled. BB had to go with perennial inactive Marquis Hill who is useless.

There was none of that in the second game. The recievers were well covered in that game and most of Brady's passing yards came in garbage time (damn prevent defense). The real scary part: All the sacks on Brady were by defensive lineman and weren't all on the blitzes. If the d-linemen get pressure again like that...forget it. I don't know if any offensive lineman were missing from that second game who could have made a difference but....

PWP: Just OL starters Stephen Neal and O'Callahan

The Jets were one of three teams (broncos & dolphins) that prevented the Patriots from getting in the endzone twice in a game. I guess that means the defense is prettyy good no matter what type of field it is nor who we play.

GO JETS
-Chris

Brady is SO much more in sync with his wideouts now vs then.

SVN · 01-06-2007, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by eifmp

Dont know why some of you don't take the Jets seriously enough, but the Patriots do, and I don't think it's all just political correctness.

The primary running backs for the upcoming game (Cedric Houston & Leon Washington) were not the primary backs the Jets used in the first two games (Barlow & Blaylock). While not spectacular, they are a part of the Jets offense that is unusual to the Patriots.

I've heard things like: If the Jets and Patriots both play flawless games the Patriots should win. Well that is the most stupid thing I have heard in a while. Part of playing a flawless game is preventing the other team from playng flawless. Impossible for two teams to be flawless.

In the first Jets/Pats game the Patriots defensive line dominated the line of scrimmage the whole game and it was very embarrasing. Two things that I take into consideration when I think about that game:

Veteran & talented defensive line together for 3 years vs Newly put together offensive line with minimal cohesion with two rookies playing in thier second game missing key offensive lineman Pete Kendall...

Of course the Patriots would win that matchup...but in the second game the Pats could only manage one sack in the muck and slop. I just want to illiustrate to some patriots fans a part of the improvement I am referring to about the Jets. 1st game 4 sacks...2nd game 1 sack and I don't want to hear the Ty Warren was absent stuff. Was he the defensive player of the month in the AFC? Yes... is he Aaron Schobel? No! No way is Ty Warren a three sack diffrerence maker.

Another think I noticed in the first game: on a couple of pass plays that Tom Teriffic made against the jets, the secondary looked confused and were pointing fingers at each other and players were WIDE OPEN. Blown coverages and uncovered players and I could go on an on and on.

There was none of that in the second game. The recievers were well covered in that game and most of Brady's passing yards came in garbage time (damn prevent defense). The real scary part: All the sacks on Brady were by defensive lineman and weren't all on the blitzes. If the d-linemen get pressure again like that...forget it. I don't know if any offensive lineman were missing from that second game who could have made a difference but....

The Jets were one of three teams (broncos & dolphins) that prevented the Patriots from getting in the endzone twice in a game. I guess that means the defense is prettyy good no matter what type of field it is nor who we play.

GO JETS
-Chris

valid pts but why is it not possible that the patriots off line in the 2nd game missing neal and o'callahan wasnt as cohesive just like the jets line in the first . why is it not possilbe that the patriots db's blew coverages in the 2nd game like the jets did in the first ? why is it not possible that missing warren and seymour playing out of position with marquise hill in the game for christ sakes hindered our game .
I give all the credit to the jets in the 2nd game. They played better than the pats did but your reasoning seems to say that in the first game jets made mistakes and pats won. in the second game neither team made mistakes and the jets won..not sure how.

eifmp · 01-06-2007, 12:12 PM

Dont know why some of you don't take the Jets seriously enough, but the Patriots do, and I don't think it's all just political correctness.

The primary running backs for the upcoming game (Cedric Houston & Leon Washington) were not the primary backs the Jets used in the first two games (Barlow & Blaylock). While not spectacular, they are a part of the Jets offense that is unusual to the Patriots.

I've heard things like: If the Jets and Patriots both play flawless games the Patriots should win. Well that is the most stupid thing I have heard in a while. Part of playing a flawless game is preventing the other team from playng flawless. Impossible for two teams to be flawless.

In the first Jets/Pats game the Patriots defensive line dominated the line of scrimmage the whole game and it was very embarrasing. Two things that I take into consideration when I think about that game:

Veteran & talented defensive line together for 3 years vs Newly put together offensive line with minimal cohesion with two rookies playing in thier second game missing key offensive lineman Pete Kendall...

Of course the Patriots would win that matchup...but in the second game the Pats could only manage one sack in the muck and slop. I just want to illiustrate to some patriots fans a part of the improvement I am referring to about the Jets. 1st game 4 sacks...2nd game 1 sack and I don't want to hear the Ty Warren was absent stuff. Was he the defensive player of the month in the AFC? Yes... is he Aaron Schobel? No! No way is Ty Warren a three sack diffrerence maker.

Another think I noticed in the first game: on a couple of pass plays that Tom Teriffic made against the jets, the secondary looked confused and were pointing fingers at each other and players were WIDE OPEN. Blown coverages and uncovered players and I could go on an on and on.

There was none of that in the second game. The recievers were well covered in that game and most of Brady's passing yards came in garbage time (damn prevent defense). The real scary part: All the sacks on Brady were by defensive lineman and weren't all on the blitzes. If the d-linemen get pressure again like that...forget it. I don't know if any offensive lineman were missing from that second game who could have made a difference but....

The Jets were one of three teams (broncos & dolphins) that prevented the Patriots from getting in the endzone twice in a game. I guess that means the defense is prettyy good no matter what type of field it is nor who we play.

GO JETS
-Chris

***PatsWickedPissah*** · 01-06-2007, 12:20 PM

If you keep posting the same drivel time and again it doesn't make it true.
Really, it doesn't.

shirtsleeve · 01-06-2007, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by PatsWickedPissah

Brady is SO much more in sync with his wideouts now vs then.

Excellent points PWP. In the second game 2/3 of our D line was hurt and 2/5 of our O line. Sey started where Warren was supposed to be, and didn't play the full game. And this guy says that Warren isn't a difference maker? Warren is deadly if not doubled up, so then what do you do with Sey? Oh, wait if they double them both, doesn't that free TBC and Colvin to wreak havoc around the edge....mmm, sounds faintly familiar....

BTW. Love the new avatar and location. But what happened to the live free or die state? We gotta talk in the pub about what went on up there since I moved away.

***PatsWickedPissah*** · 01-06-2007, 12:28 PM

I had the misfortune to be at the 2nd Jets game. Front row seats at a slow motion train wreck.

jaychamp · 01-06-2007, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by JetsWillRule

usually the best players are deeper in the draft....

That makes no sense. Hopefully Mangini feels that way and trades a 1st round draft pick to us for a 3rd or 4th rounder.

Good deal, since by your philosophy, we'd be getting screwed, right?

zoostation · 01-06-2007, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DaBruinz

2) I love your BS claim of Chicago being road weary.

I know...this claim is an absolute joke. I have several friends from Chicago who said the entire Bear org. looked at this game as the biggest game in 4 years for the team. It was the game they would prove they could compete against an elite team. Then the Pats went out and dropped 35o some odd yards on them.

Road wary from a 2 hour flight. Give me a f%cking break.

zoostation · 01-06-2007, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by eifmp

The Jets were one of three teams (broncos & dolphins) that prevented the Patriots from getting in the endzone twice in a game.

The Patriots prevented the Patriots from getting into the end zone that day with two fumbles in the red zone. The team was a bit lethargic that day and seemed to try and rely on talent as opposed to 100% focus.

Listen. If the Jets and Pats play 10 times it's inevitable that the Jets will win one or two. So congrats on that win. I don't see it happening again any time soon.

Having said that, I do hope your team is for real and in the future can give the Pats a run for their money in the division.

Good luck.

jaychamp · 01-06-2007, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by eifmp

Ty Warren was absent stuff. Was he the defensive player of the month in the AFC? Yes... is he Aaron Schobel? No! No way is Ty Warren a three sack diffrerence maker.

I could be wrong but isn't Schobel a DE in a 4-3 scheme? If so, then it makes no sense comparing the 2. Warren is really a DT.

Warren is a huge difference maker in the run game, and pass rush, not really sacks.