cstjohn17

There is no arguement.

AzPatsFan

NEM Enough!!

No one wants to hear it ! You are wrong... WRONG... JUST PLAIN wrong!!

This is not a school yard Offense. It never was. Accomplished NFL receivers have been unable to adopt to the sight adjustments required.

That is the problem now, nothing more. The only observation you make that is original, is also the only one that is correct. The receivers on this squad will be fine, after another Training Camp, next season.

Reche the only newcomer with a TC, has finally gotten it, Ben is understanding it, Brown knows it, and Belichick says that Gaffney is beginning to get it. Belichick says he thinks CJ will eventually get it too. Gabriel wasn't and didn't look like he would, and therefore is gone.

Making up for high priced talent with brains takes time, unfortunately.

YOU b**ch so much and get yourself so wound up in it, that you even b**ch when McDaniels' runs the slants and incuts that you want exclusively, and they DON'T WORK! You then still criticize them and him. Try listening to yourself, sometime.

For example, in the Miami game they ran five slant/incuts. Your prescription for success.

Net result, one for or five yard completion in the game in front of the LBs, and three incompletions, and an almost sure INT that we were saved ONLY by the defenders bad hands, because he read it and stepped in front of it, but dropped the INT. Two of the others were read, and they were a little late in jumping the routes but the defenders tried to jump them, and they ended up as mere incompletions. They were in position to make those plays, so they didn't and won't work agaisnt that Defesne despite your prescription.

This sight adjustment oriented Passing game is is also necessary for the Belichick OVERALL plan for success. ONLY by using an Offense that negates the need for superior and expensive athletes, by using smarts and complexity, does he have the financial surplus in the cap. He purposely restricts the budget there, and uses the surplus elsewhere to build a complete Team with lots of depth.

Don't you see that. Are you that blind?!?

This Offense (and ANY OC that Belichick selects, and hires to run it), is NOT going to be the damn Colts with their entire cap budget consumed in a QB and receiving corps. And a team with no Defense. They have won nothing and never will, in spite of your wish that the Pats ran that offense, with lesser talented and cheaper players. It simply won't work.

If you want that kind of Team, buy a Colts jersey and adopt them as your team. That's the ONLY way you'll ever have that Offense, until Belichick leaves the Patriots.

Why don't you STOP criticizing the OC puppet and b***ch about the guy who pulls the strings and controls them all, Bill Belichick?

Then you might see how stupid you seem to so many other fans.

So stop the constant, constant, eternal, same old, same old, broken record. It even grates on me.

Deus Irae

This is a serious question, although some of you might not think so.

Why does NEM not get banned, or at least suspended, for attempting to hijack every single thread? I'm not talking about what happens afterwards with the name calling, threats and challenges to meet people. I'm just talking about the hijacking of the threads.

I ask this because this site pretty much seems to me to be misnamed, at this point. Instead of Patsfans.com, it should be called NEMthinkstheOCsucks.com, and it's very offputting.

primetime

How were both adequately replaced? Reche Caldwell and... and... and... ah crap. Everyone else were just trash heap pick ups who are just that, trash. Chad Jackson has shown nothing (though I'm not willing to christen him a bust, as Steve Smith didn't even have as a good a rookie year as Jackson has had), Gaffney can't hold onto a ball to save his life, and Gabriel didn't play. Troy Brown is real old and in some games plays 75% of the game's snaps because of injuries in the secondary and special teams. I love Troy, but he's not the receiver he was 4 or 5 years ago. Explain to me how Branch was adequately replaced? I'll give you Caldwell for Givens, maybe, though Givens was a better blocker and had more football smarts. How has Branch been adequately replaced?

The receivers are not good. They don't get separation and any QB needs separation. They can run all the crossing and slant routes they want but if the receivers are blanketed those are just going to turn into interceptions.

richpats

I guess we've seen the "NEM offense" 10 times this year and the "McDaniels offense" 4 times

Win and it's because of receivers, lose and it's because of the OC, gotcha.

Ichiro

This is exactly the reason for our offensive problems.

For the first 10 weeks I thought it was offensive playcalling, but it just becomes more clear every game. This team does not have an adequate outside threat to make teams play two deep safeties.

Eight men in the box on first and second down; man to man on our WRs with only one deep safety. Every good team can play this defense and call up exotic blitz packages. Because of lack of seperation, Brady is forced to hold on to the ball longer and throw into smaller windows. No deep threat hurts every part of offense. Every aspect (running game, TE's and pass protection) would be improved with just one established WR.

Its too bad I don't think this problem can be fixed this season.

PatsWickedPissah

If folks would just watch the games they'd see that yes the enemy cheats on their safetys and they also play their corners in close too. Maybe it's the fault of CBS who cuts back from commercial just before the ball is snapped so it's hard to read the defensive alignment.

Viewers: this Sunday compare how deep we play our corners against the Jags wideouts vs how shallow they play ours. May Reche, Troy, Chad & Bam make 'em pay. I hope so, but it's just a hope not a certainty.

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* Why watch the game when we have stats to show the Patriots pass O is just as good as some SB years? - Aren't the stats all that matters? Brady can't do it by himself. The Jags have the D to play the Patriots much like Miami did and have a Pro Bowl CB to help that happen. It should be a very tough game. The Patriot are going to have to match them physically and win at the LOS, win the turnover battle, no stupid penalties and execute. Jags have beaten some good teams at home and collectivele by a wide margin. What they don't have are stats -

PatsWickedPissah

My bad. I am such a fool.

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Brady'sButtBoy

I am a troll? Hardly. I am a dyed in the polyester Pats fan and I believe Brady sets the standard for QBs in this league because he wins when the real cards are being dealt, like tomorrow.

And I disagree that a QB can't just make up his mind to win an NFL game, I've seen it happen plenty of times.

Cripes, all this whining about Brady's surrounding cast has got to stop. It's almost like people think that BB and Brady sit in the office late at night and shake their heads in grim recognition of the team's horrible state. That's crap. That's the spirit of surrender and exactly the opposite of what happened in the SB against the Rams and in 2004 when everyone said there was no possible way we could shut down the Colts with our depleted secondary. I sure hope he doesn't read this board because he'd be getting the wrong message from so many of the alleged realists posting here.

Sometimes I wonder where Brady the helmet slapping wildman from two years ago has gone. Has he swallowed too much of the 'this is a business' and 'it's hard to win in the NFL' rhetoric? He hasn't been bound by such negativity until last year when the team was ravaged by injuries and he seemed to lose just a touch of that we-can-anything-we-put-our-minds-to mentality which has served him and the team so well in the past.

I'm not knocking Brady, only the doubters and excusers out there would think that. But the fact is he has not excelled in big games in some time. Brady had both Givens and Branch in Denevr but had his worst game in playoffs to date. Hey, it happens, he isn't perfect, but I'm hoping that Brady wakes up tomorrow and rediscovers the unchained sense to aspire which has driven him to be one of the very best QBs to ever buckle a chinstrap. It has been that aspiration which has lit a fire in the hearts of all Patriot fans since he was named the starter. The hell with "reality," Tom, be the winner you believe you are and let the ball fly.

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