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Old 11-11-2006, 07:51 AM   #1
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i am finding it a little interesting how the recent acqusitions of english soccer clubs by american football team owners( manchester united and most recently aston villa by randy lerner)are now starting a sudden interest in the possible purchase of other clubs.
Can the two sports run hand in hand??...from an american point of view i ask this question...say New england pats bought hmmm lets say celtic football club or tottenham hotspur fc would you football fans really be interested in the soccer half of the family?...would you buy merchandise??
obviously the manchester united global branding could bring in millions....but aston villa?? randy lerner must see something i dont except the £30 million a year from sky sports tv...but that will or needs to be pumped back into the club to keep them in the top flight...

waddaya all think??

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Old 11-11-2006, 08:00 AM   #2
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i hope it will not succed but it could

i loved soccer in the past till i was 20 years old but now i really hate it (i see only the World Cup when Italy is playing and the European Cup when also our team is playing, not more)

i love the NFL, the best sport in the world

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Old 11-11-2006, 08:10 AM   #3
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I think soccer is a great game -- played it and watched it very passionately until I realized that I simply would not put up with the aggression, racism, violence and vulgarity of soccer fans. They embody everything I hate about the UK and destroy the whole point and purpose of sporting competition. (That's why I particularly love it when fans of other teams come here and there is good-natured but passionate rivalry.)

My take is that the American football owners have failed to grasp the economics of sport. They think that the profitability of the NFL is down to their own cleverness when in fact it has to do with their ability to maintain a monopoly that would be thrown out by any court in Europe. They depend on the salary cap and the recruitment monopoly to keep the gap between income and wages. (Actually, this has worked out pretty well for the players as the whole league has prospered, so I'm not particularly arguing against it). Once you have true competition, teams who want to win more than they want to make money (Abramovitch, Real Madrid) will drive up the price of players and, in the long run, make it very difficult for teams in the league as a whole to make profits.

Bottom line: soccer is not a profitable industry for owners (even though it generates huge amounts of money) and this is not just because teams are badly run.
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Old 11-11-2006, 08:16 AM   #4
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until I realized that I simply would not put up with the aggression, racism, violence and vulgarity of soccer fans.
well said Mike
i forget to add that point too
sometimes go to a soccer game seems to go to a war...
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i agree with you on many aspects..firstly aggression rivalry racism religious bigotry..yes is a problem in all walks of life and probably more so in european soccer but definately this is a minority as 99% of us good soccer fans detaste it and too find it vulgar and unacceptable!...secondly finacially...soccer just isnt profitable(manchester united the exception)until we take a leaf out of your books and put a wage cap on players the game will be crippled with debt if the tv reneue is withdrawn..shevchenko at chelsea earns £120,000 per week excluding bonus £6,480,000 per season...1 player!!the club generates under £36,000,000 per year in season ticket sales they have around 25 player on a wage between £20,000-£95,000 per week...you do the maths....it will fail but hey....thats my opinion yes youve gotta take into account merchandise,sponsorship ect but still!!!
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The NFL and European Soccer Club owners will also find that if the finances of the European club start to go south, it is against the bylaws of the NFL for them to drain funds from the NFL club to help the European club. I do not have a citation for this but I seem to remember this problem from an owner who owned two US professional teams. That being said, I suspect that many of the dual owners bought the soccer clubs to be used as a foreign investment tax break.
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The NFL and European Soccer Club owners will also find that if the finances of the European club start to go south, it is against the bylaws of the NFL for them to drain funds from the NFL club to help the European club. I do not have a citation for this but I seem to remember this problem from an owner who owned two US professional teams. That being said, I suspect that many of the dual owners bought the soccer clubs to be used as a foreign investment tax break.
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interesting...explain how could owning a sports club running at a loss help your tax returns?
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In the US operating losses can be deducted from profits to lower the taxable dollar amount.
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Old 11-11-2006, 09:30 AM   #10
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cheers for that....
so.....
Q,if you could pick a european soccer team to join the pats family...who would you choose and why?
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