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Old 10-03-2006, 09:20 PM   #1
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Background - as part of his 3-year extension Seymour was due to get a $18.66 million option bonus. The $18.66M option bonus was actually two option bonuses. The first (6.66M) was due between aug. 4 of this year and march of next year. The second ($12M) is due by March 7, 2007. Ever since John Czarnecki reported on 9/8 that the Pats were under the cap by $10.3 million I have thought that the Patriots paid Seymour the $6.66 million option bonus since that was the only way my numbers came close to his report. A very reliable source confirmed that the Patriots did exercise the $6.66 million option bonus and that it was not converted into a roster bonus.
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Great info...would it have been better to have been a roster bonus?? What is the difference...going forward capwise..anything??
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Background - as part of his 3-year extension Seymour was due to get a $18.66 million option bonus. The $18.66M option bonus was actually two option bonuses. The first (6.66M) was due between aug. 4 of this year and march of next year. The second ($12M) is due by March 7, 2007. Ever since John Czarnecki reported on 9/8 that the Pats were under the cap by $10.3 million I have thought that the Patriots paid Seymour the $6.66 million option bonus since that was the only way my numbers came close to his report. A very reliable source confirmed that the Patriots did exercise the $6.66 million option bonus and that it was not converted into a roster bonus.
Always appreciated, Miguel.

Could you translate for the salary cap learning impaired? Can we pay him the other bonus early to use this years cap money?
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Great info...would it have been better to have been a roster bonus?? What is the difference...going forward capwise..anything??
Before the exercise of the $6.66 million option bonus, the $18.66 million was being prorated over the 3 years of the extension (2007/2008/2009 - $6.22 million per year) and none of it was counting against the 2006 cap. Now 25% of the $6.66 million or $1.65 million is counting against the 2006 cap lowering the cap hits in 2007/2008/2009 by $550,000.
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Always appreciated, Miguel.

Could you translate for the salary cap learning impaired? Can we pay him the other bonus early to use this years cap money?
I do not think so. I think that Seymour falls under this rule - " (a) The contract of a Veteran Player may not be renegotiated to increase the Salary to be paid to the player during the original terms of the contract for a period of twelve months after the player’s most recent contract renegotiation. ". His contract was renegotiated in April, 2006.
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Before the exercise of the $6.66 million option bonus, the $18.66 million was being prorated over the 3 years of the extension (2007/2008/2009 - $6.22 million per year) and none of it was counting against the 2006 cap. Now 25% of the $6.66 million or $1.65 million is counting against the 2006 cap lowering the cap hits in 2007/2008/2009 by $550,000.
With 10 mill free, why don't they just pay off all 6.6 mill this year?
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With 10 mill free, why don't they just pay off all 6.6 mill this year?
A question better addressed to BB and Scott Pioli.
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A question better addressed to BB and Scott Pioli.
In your opinion, is that still a possibility at this point(absorbing more of hit)?

I have been adamant for quite some time that this roster is good enough to win the Super Bowl and that what is best for the team in the long term is to use the free cap space to absorb cap hits for its two megastars. I would be shocked if that space went unused this season. It just doesn't make any sense.

But then again, I basically no nothing about salary cap.

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In your opinion, is that still a possibility at this point(absorbing more of hit)?
I do not think that it is possible for the Patriots to further increase Seymour's 2006 cap number.
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Miguel, Have you posted an estimate anywhere of how much the Pats could easily pull cap money forward on existing contracts, as opposed to: 1. True new contracts? 2. The mid-season unrealistic LTBE incentives trick?

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