The final Deion question i want answered - New England Patriots Forums

BlitzFritz · 09-27-2006, 01:34 PM

its really simple. let me set it up.

-- the difference between our offer and jets/seattle offer was what he would get paid this year i.e. 1.5M last year on his old contract vs 6M on a new one. roughly speaking
-- we think he is worth 5-6M per year. just not this year. next year.
-- we dont want to pay him this year because it would set a precedent of not honoring final years of rookie contracts. (but we already violated that w seymour. ) and what happened as a result wdeion has set an EVEN WORSE precedent, which is "just hold out, we will trade you and all your wildest dreams will come true".

so if we have 12M in salary cap sitting there, why didnt we pay him another 4M this year to make this team better. (we already agreed he was worth it next year) we achieved nothing in terms of avoiding precedent or setting ourselves up for future player negotiations.

possible answers
A. we got too pissed off. it became personal. ship him out
B. we think we have all the talent we need to win another superbowl this year, so get the draft pick

seriously, what other possible answer is there? does what happened w deion make any sense?

apologies in advance but i just cannot explain the logic in the FO. and i know they know what they are doing.....

Brownfan80 · 09-27-2006, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlitzFritz

its really simple. let me set it up.

-- the difference between our offer and jets/seattle offer was what he would get paid this year i.e. 1.5M last year on his old contract vs 6M on a new one. roughly speaking
-- we think he is worth 5-6M per year. just not this year. next year.
-- we dont want to pay him this year because it would set a precedent of not honoring final years of rookie contracts. (but we already violated that w seymour. ) and what happened as a result wdeion has set an EVEN WORSE precedent, which is "just hold out, we will trade you and all your wildest dreams will come true".

so if we have 12M in salary cap sitting there, why didnt we pay him another 4M this year to make this team better. (we already agreed he was worth it next year) we achieved nothing in terms of avoiding precedent or setting ourselves up for future player negotiations.

possible answers
A. we got too pissed off. it became personal. ship him out
B. we think we have all the talent we need to win another superbowl this year, so get the draft pick

seriously, what other possible answer is there? does what happened w deion make any sense?

apologies in advance but i just cannot explain the logic in the FO. and i know they know what they are doing.....

I'll read about it whenever a tell-all book comes out about the BB era. Until then I can't even pretend to care about that situation anymore.

Oswlek · 09-27-2006, 01:43 PM

The important thing to keep in mind is this:

NE's offer was an initial offer to a player who had another year on his contract. Seattle's and NY's were to a player who was essentially a FA who had one week to work out a deal

The playing fields aren't even close to being level.

jct · 09-27-2006, 01:47 PM

Plus we got a first round pick.
The guy has to pay us 600K.

***PATSNUTme*** · 09-27-2006, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlitzFritz

its really simple. let me set it up.

-- the difference between our offer and jets/seattle offer was what he would get paid this year i.e. 1.5M last year on his old contract vs 6M on a new one. roughly speaking
-- we think he is worth 5-6M per year. just not this year. next year.
-- we dont want to pay him this year because it would set a precedent of not honoring final years of rookie contracts. (but we already violated that w seymour. ) and what happened as a result wdeion has set an EVEN WORSE precedent, which is "just hold out, we will trade you and all your wildest dreams will come true".

so if we have 12M in salary cap sitting there, why didnt we pay him another 4M this year to make this team better. (we already agreed he was worth it next year) we achieved nothing in terms of avoiding precedent or setting ourselves up for future player negotiations.

possible answers
A. we got too pissed off. it became personal. ship him out
B. we think we have all the talent we need to win another superbowl this year, so get the draft pick

seriously, what other possible answer is there? does what happened w deion make any sense?

apologies in advance but i just cannot explain the logic in the FO. and i know they know what they are doing.....

***Born_a_Patriot*** · 09-27-2006, 01:52 PM

All I want to know is

Who dey who dey think going to beat those Bengals!!!

PatsWorldChamps · 09-27-2006, 02:22 PM

because we felt that:

a (relatively) under-paid player (seattle's first round pick) for the next few years

was worth more than

deion for the next few years @ market price
PLUS
the problems associated with future contracts due to caving in to a player still under contract

***DaBruinz*** · 09-27-2006, 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlitzFritz

its really simple. let me set it up.

-- the difference between our offer and jets/seattle offer was what he would get paid this year i.e. 1.5M last year on his old contract vs 6M on a new one. roughly speaking
-- we think he is worth 5-6M per year. just not this year. next year.
-- we dont want to pay him this year because it would set a precedent of not honoring final years of rookie contracts. (but we already violated that w seymour. ) and what happened as a result wdeion has set an EVEN WORSE precedent, which is "just hold out, we will trade you and all your wildest dreams will come true".

so if we have 12M in salary cap sitting there, why didnt we pay him another 4M this year to make this team better. (we already agreed he was worth it next year) we achieved nothing in terms of avoiding precedent or setting ourselves up for future player negotiations.

possible answers
A. we got too pissed off. it became personal. ship him out
B. we think we have all the talent we need to win another superbowl this year, so get the draft pick

seriously, what other possible answer is there? does what happened w deion make any sense?

apologies in advance but i just cannot explain the logic in the FO. and i know they know what they are doing.....

1) The Patriots didn't know what Deion was looking for since his agent never bothered to send a counter to any of the 3 offers the Pats sent him.

2) The Patriots don't really have an extra 12.6 million as they still owe Seymour 6.66 million in bonus money this year. While the Patriots can pay it out as a signing bonus, the general thought is that they are going to pay it as a roster bonus, taking the entire amount this year.

3) The Patriots have set a precedent with Seymour and Brady that they will give you your extension, but they expect you to finish out salary stipulated by your current contract.

4) The Patriots made honest attempts to re-sign players to deals that they feel are appropriate. As they did with Brady and Seymour.

p8ryts · 09-27-2006, 02:54 PM

Because the Patriots have a business plan and they follow that plan and don't get caught up in the emotions of the day. It's worked so far and I think it will continue to work.

That's the message the players will get. If Graham, Koppen and whoever want to leave town, well they will be replaced. Graham has already been replaced.

PatsChick87 · 09-27-2006, 03:04 PM

Because Deion has an agent focused on making a name for himself(mission accomplished) and you can't do a deal if you can't negotiate. Simple.