Haterproof

I'm curious to know some of the things Brady could do with a WR like Moss or TO (without the baggage).He'd probably go down as the greatest QB of all time.Hopefully Brady can get a big time WR 1 of these days.I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

patchick

Time will tell, but I'm pretty sure that's supposed to be Chad Jackson's job.

zippo59

I'm not sure if there is such a thing.

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emoney_33

No and it won't ever matter. Guys like TO and Moss can make these amazing catches, but most of those amazing catches are from bad throws or a ball thrown to them while they are covered. Brady doesn't make a ton of bad throws and he rarely throws into coverage. Get open and you get the ball. All we need is receivers who can run proper routes and catch the ball.

Sure it would be great to have a guy with Moss's skill but there aren't many guys with close to that amount of skill as well as having a patriot-type personality.

I'm not trying to say we can have all scrubs as receivers, but we won't ever need that TO type talent IMO. It would be great to have, with the right personality, but I just don't see us ever getting that lucky to find such a player (unless CJ turns into him )

Digger44

The bigger question is does brady need a WR like that. Nope he has won three SB without one. He doesnt even need that WR to be the greatest qb of all time. he has already had a great start.

cloud34

meaning..a selfish receiver?...seems like he has one now on the outside looking in.....don't need guys like that

desi-patsfan

He might not ever get a TO or Moss. But he will have the hybrid of Coates and Gonzales.

rookBoston

Yeah, Chad. Haven't you been paying attention?

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Johnny Z

Moss and TO get more; everybody else gets less.

And then they lose in the playoffs.

The #-1 WR fantasy is for losers 'cause all it does is lose big games to teams that spread the ball around.

PatsFanInVa

That last post looks pretty perceptive.

Okay this is very broad brush but:

- lots of circus catches means lots of borderline catchable balls. That would be a large percentage for a less accurate guy with a ****ty scheme, and a small percentage for a more accurate guy working in a scheme that gets a guy more open in more plays.

- Lots of catches of all kinds means a pass first offense, think Martz as the extreme. The ground game is strategically superior as augmented by the passing attack, because you can use ground yardage (but not pass yardage) to control the clock and get your D some rest. ("The best defense is a running offense.") So, a guy that figures "I'll get us out of the hole we dig every week" (splashy offense thinking,) has less control than the "never dig a hole that size in the first place" guy. Less dramatic, but more effective, if 3 SBs really demonstrate anything. Notice when our running game went down the tubes our D did too? It's not all injuries. It's being on the field 35 minutes a game.

- Within BB's cost structure, recognizing the team he's trying to build, where do you put this TO/Randy Moss kind of guy? Everybody's paid pretty much as a journeyman except those "best in the game" types like Brady and Seymour. If we get a "best in the game" at another position, I doubt we'd go for it at receiver, for reasons sketched out above. Think of the drain of a guy with 8 or 10M or 14M every year cap hit (for instance,) taking roughly 8-14% of your cap. You only get a couple or three of those guys... and I don't know when guy number 3 will be identified if ever for the Pats. After that, you end up with nada to spend on the rest of the team. (Colvin's scheduled to start knocking on the door of that level... I wonder how long we have with his services on board.)

You never say never, and maybe one of those TO/Moss guys shows up next week -- but I dont see BB/SP putting the value on that type of player, that other teams do. Therefore, they'd never really have much chance to talk to them. From all indications, the Pats think superstar wideouts are way overvalued for what you actually get, and it might not just be the stupid antics off the field/celebrations/head case stuff that's keeping us away from them (although that stuff wouldn't help in a BB world - just can't imagine a guy w/that little self control being a "patriots type player.")

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