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smg93 · 09-01-2006, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Patriotic Fervor

What "guy from Denver" was that?

Javon Walker

***AndyJohnson*** · 09-01-2006, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by smg93

It's the doing this for the agent part that is still far fetched to me. That's all I'm saying.

OK. Put yourself in Manginis shoes.

Chayut calls you. He says, look I want my client out of NE, but Ive lost all leverage. I recognize he may not fit your plans. But if you make an offer, it may prompt other teams to get involved. It will also show that the Patriots have lowballed him. You wont want to pay what the Pats want in return, but if you are the only offer, you give Branch reason to stay away, and the price may come down between now and the trade deadline. At the least you make it harder for your division rival to get a good player on the field. Of course, since the Patriots are impossible to negotiate with, this gives you a leg up any future negotiations we may have. I help people who help me.

Do you tell him to F-off? Why would you? What do you lose? What do you potentially gain?
I think its a no-brainer.

While you may hate agents coaches and GMs need to have a working relationship with them and at least pretend to respect them.

You are coming off like a coach/GM should have an fU reltaionship with agents where in fact they need the agent as much as the agent needs them.

TomBradyWoot · 09-01-2006, 01:27 PM

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But we're now told that the Jets don't genuinely expect to land Branch from a division rival, and that they jumped into the fray primarily as a favor to Branch's agent, Jason Chayut, and in order to make it harder for the Patriots to ultimately keep Branch.

This is what I was talking about earlier on another thread, and got told I was wrong

SCPatBoy · 09-01-2006, 01:28 PM

All these about the Jets means nothing once a second team was involved and the money was equal....I guess we should assume Seattle is just trying to make the Pats life difficult>>>>

***AndyJohnson*** · 09-01-2006, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SCPatBoy

All these about the Jets means nothing once a second team was involved and the money was equal....I guess we should assume Seattle is just trying to make the Pats life difficult>>>>

The Jets were the FIRST team involved. It further advances the theory that they appear out of it when another jumped in.

smg93 · 09-01-2006, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by AndyJohnson

OK. Put yourself in Manginis shoes.

Chayut calls you. He says, look I want my client out of NE, but Ive lost all leverage. I recognize he may not fit your plans. But if you make an offer, it may prompt other teams to get involved. It will also show that the Patriots have lowballed him. You wont want to pay what the Pats want in return, but if you are the only offer, you give Branch reason to stay away, and the price may come down between now and the trade deadline. At the least you make it harder for your division rival to get a good player on the field. Of course, since the Patriots are impossible to negotiate with, this gives you a leg up any future negotiations we may have. I help people who help me.

Do you tell him to F-off? Why would you? What do you lose? What do you potentially gain?
I think its a no-brainer.

While you may hate agents coaches and GMs need to have a working relationship with them and at least pretend to respect them.

You are coming off like a coach/GM should have an fU reltaionship with agents where in fact they need the agent as much as the agent needs them.

I don't think so. You're putting words in my mouth. When did I ever say coaches and GM's shouldn't have relationships with agents??? I have never said that. All I'm saying is I don't think he did it for CHAYUT. What players does he have right now that Mangini wants? Isn't Branch the only player in Chayut's stable that is worth mentioning? Are the Jets somehow eyeing a player that he has now or will sign in next year's draft????? What is the direct relationship with Chayut and Mangini?

Chill out. Just because I don't agree with Florio's take on this one doesn't mean you have to bite my head off.

borg · 09-01-2006, 01:37 PM

Since when did Mangini become the Jets GM?

RayClay · 09-01-2006, 01:44 PM

Mangini's a pup. He isn't even ready for a head coaching position, IMO, much less ready to tangle with the Patriots organization with dirty tricks.

The guy's already gained 50 lbs. because of stress and getting into a blood feud with Belichick is about the last thing he needs.

Just because BB doesn't shoot of his mouth some people think he is a nice guy compared to Parcell's. Not when it comes to football he isn't.

And do you think he might have just a little bit of enmity towards the Jets orginization?

If Mangini wants a pr war, he'll wish he hadn't been born.

***AndyJohnson*** · 09-01-2006, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by smg93

I don't think so. You're putting words in my mouth. When did I ever say coaches and GM's shouldn't have relationships with agents??? I have never said that. All I'm saying is I don't think he did it for CHAYUT. What players does he have right now that Mangini wants? Isn't Branch the only player in Chayut's stable that is worth mentioning? Are the Jets somehow eyeing a player that he has now or will sign in next year's draft????? What is the direct relationship with Chayut and Mangini?

Chill out. Just because I don't agree with Florio's take on this one doesn't mean you have to bite my head off.

Im not biting your head off.
Why would the incentive need to be immediate? If there is anything to this story, which we are assuming in order to gauge Manginis potential motivation, what would be the gain in refusing vs the gain in playing along?
At some point in the future Mangini may need to negotiate with Chayut, he may not.
I'm just not sure what your thinking is. You seem to be saying if Chayut asked that, you believe Mangini would tell him to get lost, because there is no other player today that he wants to sign???? What is the upside in that?

Do you not see an upside in endearing yourself to an agent you MAY need to deal with in the future, AS WELL AS potentially hurting your division opponent? The article also lists that as a motivation.

I'm just not understanding your point I guess. It appears you are saying if Mangini was approach with this request he would have denied? Why would he deny it?

By the way, if you are Chayut, and the Pats throw thisin out of left field (and by the way other reports say Chayut was taken by surprise by the move) wouldnt your first call be to the Jets? Mine would be. Division rival, former Pat asst who both knows the player and MAY POSSIBLY want to one-up his former boss (not that Mangini is necessarily like that, but some people are).
Isnt it ironic that the Jets reportedly 'moved quickly' and had a deal in place by Monday?

This just reaks of phoniness. I dont know why you are so reliuctant to accept that it is what it looks like.

By the way, do you really think the Jets, in their current state are seriously considering trading a high pick and a player for a 6mill a year WR? They are probably the LAST team in the NFL that this would make sesne for.

RayClay · 09-01-2006, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by borg

Since when did Mangini become the Jets GM?

Also a good point.