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Yes. I know. And the Jets are bringing in the 3-4 scheme. It was a joke. I come here in peace. I find the 3-4 to be intriguing but it worries me in ways. I think it may also limit Jonathan Vilmas abilility. any feedback on the ups and downs of it, other then 3 sb rings,
It should improve Vilma. Bruschi flourished in it.
The whole key to the 3-4 is the NT spot. If Robertson can hold down that job (like Wilfork does for us) the 3-4 will work for you guys.
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It should improve Vilma. Bruschi flourished in it.
We will see. Its just they are both different. Vilma works off speed. Sideline to sideline. Not used to to taking on as much Olinemen in his face... Ray Lewis was effected by the switch.
We will see. Its just they are both different. Vilma works off speed. Sideline to sideline. Not used to to taking on as much Olinemen in his face... Ray Lewis was effected by the switch.
Who is playing next to Vilma at ILB?
If Robertson can hold down the NT spot, and the other ILB can take on the LB (like Ted Johnson used to for us), the other LB can rove.
JMHO, but I think Ray Lewis rapidly declined, 3-4 or no 3-4.
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If Robertson can hold down the NT spot, and the other ILB can take on the LB (like Ted Johnson used to for us), the other LB can rove.
JMHO, but I think Ray Lewis rapidly declined, 3-4 or no 3-4.
So far Barton will be next to him. With Bryan Thomas and Hobson/Brad Kassell on the outside also NE's Chatham and Rookie Schlegal subing in on the inside I would believe. Im expecting Drob to live up to expectations this year..I wouldnt mind seeing Vilma on the outside though, he would create havoc on blitzes
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LBs with starts: Add Don Davis, he started for the Rams in 2001
Why is Gardner seeming to play better here? He started while in Philadelphia in a gap-control system, then he spent his time in penetratrion/speed systems working Special Teams, now he comes here and looks to be a good fit in BB's gap control system...intriguing.
Vilma - Bruschi and his slippery style is a good role model for him, Donnie Edwards play in San Diego is another to look at for being a bit undersized for the 3-4 ILB role.
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Starters - Colvin
Bruschi
Vrabel either in or out, depending on who plays better - TBC at OLB, or Beisel at ILB
Reserves - TBC/Beisel
Chad Brown - OLB
Klecko - ILB (I know, dream on)
Roach - ILB
Mincey/Woods - OLB...I have a feeling that one, but not both, of them makes it.
Gardner - ILB and ST, making Izzo and Davis, neither of whom can play NFL LB any more, obsolete.
9/10 LBs are enough. There is no way we should have more LBs than DBs on the 53. Quality DB depth would otherwise be seriously compromised.
As far as LB, we got 6 guys who have started games under their belts -- with 3 real good ones. The three good ones being Colvin, Vrabel and Bruschi -- and the other three with starts under there belt are Gardner, Brown, and Beisel. We also got ST/reserves for guys like TBC and Eric Alexander. We also got 2 spots for a pure ST/developmental rook like Izzo, Don Davis or Mincey. Any sort of feelings for our LB depth is not because of the #, but because of the bad taste of Brown and Beisel being overmatched at ILB. Of course, we all know that Brown had no business at ILB (Ted Johnson shock retirement), and the young, overmatched Beisel was there because of Bruschi's stroke.
Expect to see BB play all 6 LB I mentioned get playing time. Incidentally, typical BB all are vets with the exception of Beisel....
Hopefully Bruschi's sore wrist will heal in time for the opening-day ... if not, like Harrison he should be ready to go early in the season.
As long as we have either Vrabel or Bruschi on the field we will be fine as far a play-calling ... which was a HUGE issue last year.
The signing of Gardner ILB moved Chad Brown to OLB where he has excelled in the league.
BOTTOMLINE: We may not have the luxury of having 6 guys who are starters in the league, but we nonetheless have 6 guys who have started games in the league. The depth isn't horrible as far as #. It is not like we only have 3 guys who have started football games in the NFL, and the rest are rookies and UDFAs. If either Vrabel or Bruschi is on the field, play-calling will be fine. If we lose both ... could be trouble.
Great Observation and Post!
Finally, someone is talking sense and not mindless drivel. Chad Brown, as a spot stating ability reserve, IS the equivalent of what Willie McG was becoming.
People remember what he WAS, not what his last season for us said. The Jax playoff game showed that an old pro can reach back and momentarily bring it back, but it inflated a season of rather mediocre stats. Willie was the consumate pro but he is losing it, and RAC hired him for his locker room presesnce, as much as anyhting he can still do on the field.
Yes. I know. And the Jets are bringing in the 3-4 scheme. It was a joke. I come here in peace. I find the 3-4 to be intriguing but it worries me in ways. I think it may also limit Jonathan Vilma's ability. any feedback on the ups and downs of it, other then 3 sb rings,
The issue is not 3-4. Its more one-gap versus 2-gap. The Steelers play a one-gap and Belichick and disciples play a 2-gap (even when they go 4-3). The one-gap still allows for the penetrating Le beau type player, especially in the LB corps. Belichick's disciplined system is strictly read-control-react.
To play Belichick's system you need big, tough, Defensive linemen, who are good enough that they can play read-react, take a blow, and still play as if they were one gapping. That asks a lot, and consequently we have 4 #1s and 2 #2 and a #4 as our DL for three positions.
As far as the LBs are concerned, Belichick's system is read-react but don't free lance. He can than get away with slower players (ie. bigger, older, experienced, sage, vets preferred) but only if no free lancing is enforced otherwise holes open up and the other players are too slow to be able to close them against a good running game.
Vilma will have problems, I predict. But his talent should allow him to beef up over the next season or two and he'll be fine.
As a backup to Vilma, I am not surprised that Gardner seldom saw the field. How come he got a start? Was Vilma dinged up? And how did he do that game? My theory is that Gardner was just the type of vet that Belichick turns in to a minor star. The profile: A former high pick who does not excel but is smart and willing to work hard as exemplified by ST experience. These guys can play disciplined ball, and carry out their assignment which is drawn up to be not overwhelming athletically, and that is all that BB really needs. Examples are Phifer and Vrabel who were not anywhere as "good" as they became with the Patriots in their late twenties and thirties.
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Are you saying that McGinest was a spot starting reserve?
As the addage goes, better a year early than a year late.
McGinest was becoming that. We saw it when Colvin came in, but when he got hurt the plan was postponed. Again, in 2005, it appeared Colvin would take the lead over McGinest, but when Bruschi and Johnson went down, Vrabel had to move inside and McGinest was back to full-time outside.
One would have to think either this year or next would be the one where Vrabel and Colvin would finally take over fully at OLB as BB seemingly envisioned, with McGinest seeing time as a pass rusher (a la Colvin in 2004).
Re: 6 Linebackers
sort of feelings for our LB depth is not because of the #, but because of the bad taste of Brown and Beisel being overmatched at ILB. Of course, we all know that Brown had no business at ILB (Ted Johnson shock retirement), and the young, overmatched Beisel was there because of Bruschi's stroke.
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