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Banks isn't bad as a backup. But doesn't he have a crazy fumbling problem? I seem to remember him setting some kind of fumbling record. (?)
We already have Caldwell & Faulk. We don't need to make it a triumverate.
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Banks isn't bad as a backup. But doesn't he have a crazy fumbling problem? I seem to remember him setting some kind of fumbling record. (?)
We already have Caldwell & Faulk. We don't need to make it a triumverate.
First of all, the most fumbles Caldwell's had in a season is 3. Secondly, he's only had 3 combined in the past 2 seasons. Faulk's gotten 6, 4, and 3 twice.
But yes, Banks certainly has a fumbling problem:
Code:
Year Team G Fum Lost
1996 St. Louis Rams 14 21 11
1997 St. Louis Rams 16 15 7
1998 St. Louis Rams 14 10 3
1999 Baltimore Ravens 12 11 6
2000 Baltimore Ravens 11 5 0
2001 Washington Redskins 15 10 4
2002 Houston Texans 0 0 0
2003 Houston Texans 7 1 0
2004 Houston Texans 5 0 0
2005 Houston Texans 3 0 0
Banks' scouting report also says he forces the ball into coverage, and makes poor decisions under pressure despite his experience. He doesn't have good pocket presence or a quick release, adding to the fumble problem. He also isn't a threat as a runner, lacks ideal leadership skills and is a locker room distraction.
He's not really available, but I am speculating that he could be cut. he is looking for a job with Tampa Bay, and they have the ofollowing QBs listed on their roster:
Simms - Starter
Fieldler -Just signed as backup
McCown - Young prospect, recovering from knee injury
Gradkoswki - 6th round draft choice
Rattay - ???
Again, I am just guessing that he is vulnerable, and could become available. What if we spun them a 6th round pick ?
You realize that would be the ultimate Karmic Boomerang?
First of all, the most fumbles Caldwell's had in a season is 3. Secondly, he's only had 3 combined in the past 2 seasons. Faulk's gotten 6, 4, and 3 twice.
But yes, Banks certainly has a fumbling problem:
Code:
Year Team G Fum Lost
1996 St. Louis Rams 14 21 11
1997 St. Louis Rams 16 15 7
1998 St. Louis Rams 14 10 3
1999 Baltimore Ravens 12 11 6
2000 Baltimore Ravens 11 5 0
2001 Washington Redskins 15 10 4
2002 Houston Texans 0 0 0
2003 Houston Texans 7 1 0
2004 Houston Texans 5 0 0
2005 Houston Texans 3 0 0
Banks' scouting report also says he forces the ball into coverage, and makes poor decisions under pressure despite his experience. He doesn't have good pocket presence or a quick release, adding to the fumble problem. He also isn't a threat as a runner, lacks ideal leadership skills and is a locker room distraction.
(Scouts, Inc.)
Next! I want a backup that will cough it up twice a game.
Banks' scouting report also says he forces the ball into coverage, and makes poor decisions under pressure despite his experience. He doesn't have good pocket presence or a quick release, adding to the fumble problem. He also isn't a threat as a runner, lacks ideal leadership skills and is a locker room distraction.
(Scouts, Inc.)
Other than that, how did you like the play Mrs. Lincoln?
I'd be fine with Maddox or Detmer. Both career backups who have stepped in and played well.
That's all you need, somebody who can manage a few games if needed and give you a chance.
The last time Detmer stepped in and played well was in the 1990's. The last time he started it was for 4 games in 2001 and he threw 3 TD/10INT. Maddoux had one good season with Pittsburgh, one not so good and injury shortened season, and in the last two years in 5 starts he has been nothing short of abyssmal - QB rating in the mid 50's. Because these guys have hung around so long they would cost almost a million. And while we have cap space and they would only count the minimum, you still have to pay payroll and I doubt good business men like Belioli or Kraft will justify that kind of cash squander.
Rattay was not Dick Rehbein's choice, he was one of two BB was intrigued by and after being dispatched to work out both Rehbein returned with the verdict that (in his opinion) Brady was the one you wanted. Belichick agreed, yet on draft day as the picks flew by Rehbein had to lobby to get him selected before we ran out of picks.
It would be great if there were someone out there who would be an improvement on a rookie or NFLE QB. I don't see anyone whose skill or experience is clearly better than their potential. I think we go to camp and see what develops and only make a move if we absolutely have to and if someone who actually can help shakes loose. I doubt it will be a backup, more like a competent scout QB who would only see action were hell to freeze over. If I had to guess, that might be Rohan.
.... I doubt it will be a backup, more like a competent scout QB who would only see action were hell to freeze over. If I had to guess, that might be Rohan.
This thread has grown from a yawner on another well-aired topic
to become quite an interesting and informative discussion.
Thanks, guys!
You will become long-renowned as a prophet, Mo,
if Rohan should return!
And hell indeed shall have frozen over ... and pigs will be nesting in trees.
The last time Detmer stepped in and played well was in the 1990's. The last time he started it was for 4 games in 2001 and he threw 3 TD/10INT. Maddoux had one good season with Pittsburgh, one not so good and injury shortened season, and in the last two years in 5 starts he has been nothing short of abyssmal - QB rating in the mid 50's. Because these guys have hung around so long they would cost almost a million. And while we have cap space and they would only count the minimum, you still have to pay payroll and I doubt good business men like Belioli or Kraft will justify that kind of cash squander.
Rattay was not Dick Rehbein's choice, he was one of two BB was intrigued by and after being dispatched to work out both Rehbein returned with the verdict that (in his opinion) Brady was the one you wanted. Belichick agreed, yet on draft day as the picks flew by Rehbein had to lobby to get him selected before we ran out of picks.
It would be great if there were someone out there who would be an improvement on a rookie or NFLE QB. I don't see anyone whose skill or experience is clearly better than their potential. I think we go to camp and see what develops and only make a move if we absolutely have to and if someone who actually can help shakes loose. I doubt it will be a backup, more like a competent scout QB who would only see action were hell to freeze over. If I had to guess, that might be Rohan.
Good post. I don't think I like your conclusion, though. You can certainly pick out bad stats for vets who have had some starts. That's why they lost the job.
As you have noted, both of these have also started in emergency situations and helped the team win. That's not something you can say about Rohan.
If we've indeed found a gem in Cassel, I think we need a savvy vet for third string, If Cassel wins the backup job.
I'm not in love with these two, (I do think Maddox is a good backup though), but I think we need someone besides Brady who has played under some pressure.
No matter how you twist it, neither Cassel nor Rohan qualify.
He's not. This is one of those threads where you pick a player on another team that you want for the pats because he is a good player and will really help the pats, and then say the other team will cut him because ... well, the logic escapes me here. But if we are going to pick a backup QB currently under contract for another team, the heck with Rattay. Let's pick up David Garrard.
No, it is not a case of picking a player I want. It is a case of identifying players that *may* be available through the natural course of NFL transactons. I thought it was clear that the premise was that our 3rd QB may be a guy cut from another team and not one of the existing Free Agents. The logic that escapes you is that a team with five QBs (like Tampa Bay) will probably only keep three, so two will be cut loose. Rattay may be one of the two. Simple actually.
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