T-ShirtDynasty

Then may I recommend booing the holder and long-snapper?

Brady-To-Branch

If Adam had given the Pats a chance to match Indy's offer, I would have understood, but he did not.

BOOOO!!!

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borg

So let me get this straight... all you hand holding, tree hugging Adam apologists will be cheering as Adam V walks onto the field and is about to attempt to score points against the Patriots. Forget that. I cheer for the players that are on my team only. AV got his cheers after all his big kicks, he got his cheers during all the parades, he got his cheers every game he suited up in a Pats uniform. That's enough love as far as I'm concerned. Face it, AV's priority was squeezing out max dollars and increasing his field goal percentages in an indoor environment...all very UnPatriot like. Cash and stats is what his exit is all about. Frankly, I think AV has made a horrible decision because his status as a regional Icon has been diminished. Maybe he believes he can spin his personna into a national celebrity. We'll see. But in the aftermath of his exit, do you really think Bob Kraft will retire his number now.

5 Rings for Brady!!

Adam was our kicker and has moved on. I don't think he was that great in playoff games since 2001. I don't mind that he is gone. With so few responsibilities as a kicker has, I am not all that amazed that they don't get worn out in big games like the players who are on the field at physically demanding positions.

Those who want to can cheer for the Colts kicker if it makes them feel 'classy', and then they can say 'Oh, but of course, I don't want him to do well or make his kicks or anything, but I wish him well.'

Others can turn their back or stand on their head or whatever.

I plan on booing anyone in a Colts uniform and don't need to be convinced otherwise.

Like I said, you can be as anal as you wish, but at the end of the day, I'm gonna boo the Colts and anyone who represents their franchise.

MoLewisrocks

Do you understand why he could not? That offer was contingent on his not taking it back to another team - if he did it was off the table. The team you expected him to risk the deal altogether for had two years to get an extension with a signing bonus or guaranteed money included done with him. They chose to offer none.

When you let a player get to FA you are making a statement. That is why more often than not that player is gone. You don't want to pay them what they want. You are telling them to test the market and see what's out there either because you believe what they want is not there, or you're unwilling to pay that at all, or maybe in hindsight you will if you are forced to because you now see others will.

The Patriots either misjudged the 2006 PK market (and perhaps the entire 2006 FA market) or they simply didn't want certain players at certain prices. I'm not sure what players are supposed to make of that, but I'd have left too. Givens wanted to be a #1. I don't think that was a rational decision, and I don't think the Pats should have overpaid him as a mid level #1 when he is a good #2 here. Adam wanted to be the highest paid kicker in the league by contract. I happen to think he was worth the couple of hundred thousand a year that paying a pro bowl kicker entailed where Givens would never have been worth a couple of million more in his role here as a WR. Adam also wanted the security of a long term deal. The only security in an NFL contract is in the guaranteed bonus money, because your contractual right to any trumped up salary going forward is not worth the paper it's printed on unless there is a significant cap consequence implicitly insuring it. If he signed with us for no bonus we could have cut him in pre season and not owed him a dime of that BS highest paid kicker salary Jonathan was babbling about.

Kickers can perform well into their late 30's in many instances. Adam wanted the opportunity to do just that. Few OLB can perform well past their mid 30's, and the good ones have made ten times as much as a PK 10+ years into their careers. Willie was overpaid for much of his time here even when his contract was actually reworked. He doesn't need the money, he said that repeatedly. Yet he left for an opportunity to extend his career with a team willing to overpay him once again, and by about double, rather than finish it out where it began. And played the nobody called me don't blame me card to boot. Yet no one plans to boo Willie because his only offer came from Cleveland instead of Indianapolis. Don't kid yourself, if it was Indy or Pittsburgh or the JETS or Miami offering Willie that cash, he's still gone.

MoLewisrocks

Well as I surmised earlier, no point arguing rationally with anyone whose fallback is to spew jibberish like this.

mgteich

I suppose you guys would also boo McGinist.

MoLewisrocks

Yup. If retiring numbers is a path this team continues to persue, Adam will be one of the handful who gets that honor - which should be reserved for players who played the majority of their career here, won a championship or championsihps here and are elected to the HOF based in large part on what they did while they were here.

5 Rings for Brady!!

I shouldn't expect much from a condescending sort of guy that has a nametag like 'Mo Lewis Rocks', but you seriously need to get off your intellectual highchair.

Since you are so socially inept that you can't carry on normal discussions with people without misrepresenting their point of view to further your own, there is no way to 'talk' with you in a rational manner.

You deliberately misinterpret every thing I say, and make sure to do it line by line, because there is no room for grey area in your insecure world. It is impossible for you to be wrong on anything or even to acknowledge other points of views on anything, because you are the 'perfect' guy who needs to belittle everyone around you.

It's Mo's way or the highway!

T-ShirtDynasty

There's no real point in arguing it rationally anyway, team fanaticism is really kind of an irrational thing in the first place. As always Mo, you make extremely well thought out, very articulate arguments for your point. I see exactly where you're coming from, but when that man takes the field all some of us are ever going to see is the blue horseshoe on the helmet. At that point, the reaction is visceral, not logical. Y'know?

Personally, I boo and cheer for the team, not the player. While I greatly dislike the Dolts, I'm pretty emotionally unattached to the Browns... I wouldn't boo simply because, ehhhh they're the Browns.