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Haha....I was just about to say that I'm too young to have seen Russell, Orr, etc.
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That's a good point, but they were eliminated in the Eastern Conference Finals. (In other words, that team did as well as Donovan McNabb's Philadelphia Eagles in 2001-2003). It took McHale, Parish and the rest to help Larry win a championship.
I don't disagree that Russell was the greatest. Too often we forget great champions because their time has passed. I always thought Havlicek was forgotten way too soon. I do disagree that Bird wasn't the best during his time. Magic was a great guard, maybe the greatest along with Oscar. But he didn't change the guard position. Before Bird no forward ever controlled the game from that position. I never heard of point forward before Bird came along. To say someone is the best based on championships is misleading. Look at the players Magic had playing with him. The year before Magic arrived in LA, they were beaten in the playoffs by Seattle who would win the championship. The year before Bird arrived in Boston they were 29-53 for 5th place in the Atlantic, no playoffs, not even close. The next year with rookie Bird, 61-21 and first in Atlantic Division. That was with no Parrish or McHale. They would be beaten by Philly who would go to the championship game.
Brady is very clutch! But I'd actually put Larry Bird there at #1
I was just ready to say this exact thing when I noticed KDO beat me to it.
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Possibly Babe Ruth at #9? Wasn't it something like 27 consecutive scoreless innings he pitched for the Red Sox in the World Series?
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Possibly Babe Ruth at #9? Wasn't it something like 27 consecutive scoreless innings he pitched for the Red Sox in the World Series?
I always wondered why he didn't pitch every fifth day or so and then go back to his other position. His bat still would be in the line-up (as a pitcher), thus makeing that day's line-up even stronger.
I don't disagree that Russell was the greatest. Too often we forget great champions because their time has passed. I always thought Havlicek was forgotten way too soon.
I respect you for that.
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I do disagree that Bird wasn't the best during his time. Magic was a great guard, maybe the greatest along with Oscar. But he didn't change the guard position. Before Bird no forward ever controlled the game from that position. I never heard of point forward before Bird came along. To say someone is the best based on championships is misleading. Look at the players Magic had playing with him. The year before Magic arrived in LA, they were beaten in the playoffs by Seattle who would win the championship. The year before Bird arrived in Boston they were 29-53 for 5th place in the Atlantic, no playoffs, not even close. The next year with rookie Bird, 61-21 and first in Atlantic Division. That was with no Parrish or McHale. They would be beaten by Philly who would go to the championship game.
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Bird was arguably not even the greatest player of his era.
Note the word "arguably". That means you could make the case that he was not. I still believe that to be true. I believe there is a very good case to be made for Magic too.
I said this simply to support my main point, that Bird was not dominant in his era the way Russell was in his. That Russell was able to overcome Goliath not once, but 9 times out of 10 is not only amazing, it's almost unbelievable!
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You can't get a more clutch spot than a game where the winning team goes on and the losing team goes home.
You take his Game 7s as a pro and then his final 2 years in college and he played in a ton of them. And the one constant was the team that had Bill Russell ALWAYS won.
Promiseland, I stand corrected.
Its too bad that we did not have the media technology and coverage when Russell played as we do now. They didn't even keep track of blocked shots back then, Russell was phenomenal. It was said that, 9 out of 10 of his blocked shots went to a teammate. My favorite Russell story of all time was told by Auerbach (Let Me Tell You A Story). It was when they went overseas giving clinics and were treated rudely by a host country. Auerback tells the Celtics play hard and tells Russell not to let his guy score. After Russell blocks the guy the third straight time down the court, the guy is so frustrated he kicks the ball into the crowd and gets kicked out of the game. On the way back up the court, Russell winks at Auerbach. Of course, Auerbach tells it slightly better. This book is a must read.
Its too bad that we did not have the media technology and coverage when Russell played as we do now. They didn't even keep track of blocked shots back then, Russell was phenomenal. It was said that, 9 out of 10 of his blocked shots went to a teammate. My favorite Russell story of all time was told by Auerbach (Let Me Tell You A Story). It was when they went overseas giving clinics and were treated rudely by a host country. Auerback tells the Celtics play hard and tells Russell not to let his guy score. After Russell blocks the guy the third straight time down the court, the guy is so frustrated he kicks the ball into the crowd and gets kicked out of the game. On the way back up the court, Russell winks at Auerbach. Of course, Auerbach tells it slightly better. This book is a must read.
Yeah, it really is too bad good video technology is a relatively recent thing. I wish I could see video of a lot of historical things that happened before the 20th century, not just sports related. Can you imagine if there was video in biblical times?
I am glad to have helped you understand how great Russell was. I hope more of the younger people take the time to find out what went on before their time.
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