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Best line: "To bring some reporting to this..." lol
Anyway, good stuff here. Mike is still the man.
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Last week, ESPN insider John Clayton threw a pile up against the wall wondering if Tom Brady would hold out from the start of training camp. We scratched our heads and explained that wouldn't be happening. Slow day in Seattle, apparently.
Today, Clayton continued to milk his own speculation saying on ESPN's Mike & Mike radio show that it remains a "possibility" that Brady could skip the start of camp. My goombah Tim Graham parroted Clayton's words.
A "possibility" gives one a pretty good amount of leeway. For instance, there's a possibility the Patriots will invite me to camp to replace Brady if he opted to not show. But it's a very, very slim one.
Re: Mike Reiss brings some Sanity to the Brady thing... (ESPN RADIO)
From the interview (summaries/paraphrases, not quotes):
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Talks not currently active. Not expecting a deal this week.
Labor situation is a factor, but is also a convenient excuse.
You do have to look at the Patriots past dealings (Samuel, etc...)
Would be shocked if Brady held out.
Wouldn't say the Brady/Patriots relationship is great. Both sides have an understanding that this is business.
Doesn't think Brady's coming to camp angry at the situation.
Mankins:
No movement on the situation. Wouldn't expect him to be in for the start of camp.
So, other than the holdout "possibility", Reiss is lined up with pretty much everyone else.
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Re: Mike Reiss brings some Sanity to the Brady thing... (ESPN RADIO)
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Originally Posted by Deus Irae
From the interview (summaries/paraphrases, not quotes):
So, other than the holdout "possibility", Reiss is lined up with pretty much everyone else.
"Wouldn't say they have a great relationship"?!? When did Reiss say that? He said that they have a good professional relationship, but it isn't like they all meet for dinner and drinks.
Also you wrote in what you learned from the interview that Reiss said:
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Doesn't think Brady's coming to camp angry at the situation.
Which clearly contradicts Silver's piece that says that brady is upset with the situation or Graham's or Clayton's report that Brady is so upset with the situation that he might hold out.
I will give you that maybe Reiss doesn't know anymore than anyone else, but his interview does contradict a lot of what has been reported. Reiss could be wrong, but he clearly makes it sound that there is far less conflict between sides than reported.
Re: Mike Reiss brings some Sanity to the Brady thing... (ESPN RADIO)
That was a lot better than his average peer. He even corrected them on Tom's 2010 earnings... That said, he still is a little behind on his fastball. The CBA is the heart of the matter, because the only way around it in a long term deal is a mega signing bonus this team can't afford let alone wouldn't be willing to proffer in the midst of a contentious CBA negotiation where the league claims player costs are outstripping revenue.
In his mailbag today Mike suggested an interim deal ala Chris Chambers. Trouble is Brady doesn't have any remaining guaranteed old money to push forward, and if they sign a short term extension it's just a bandaid that could potentially hurt Brady leverage wise when it's time to yank it and do a long term deal. For that reason I'm pretty sure that option has been discussed and dismissed.
I also wish someone would debunk the whole rookie QB guaranteed money angle. When you read the find print only a fraction of it is ever truly guaranteed to the extent the money in the level of contract Manning and Brady have already signed and will evenrually sign again is.
And analogies to what happened to Milloy, Bledsoe, even Samuel or Seymour (let alone Vrabel or Bruschi and Harrison who retired of their own volition) are nonsensical in the context of where Brady's performance on the field and in the locker room is concerned comparatively speaking.
That said, glad the relative voice of reason is back on the job.
Re: Mike Reiss brings some Sanity to the Brady thing... (ESPN RADIO)
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Originally Posted by Deus Irae
From the interview (summaries/paraphrases, not quotes):
So, other than the holdout "possibility", Reiss is lined up with pretty much everyone else.
Only in your alternate universe, Deus. FWIW Mike made it clear it was just his opinion that the CBA might be a convenient excuse. I don't think he fully grasps the difficulty in constructing a deal, the media has been painfully slow on the uptake in that regard as a whole, which has been probed here at length while he was on vacation.
And I have it on good authority that at least Kraft and Brady did dine out together while he was attending OTA's... Not to mention I can't remember the last time I saw BB biking around Hyannis in June...
Re: Mike Reiss brings some Sanity to the Brady thing... (ESPN RADIO)
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Originally Posted by Rob0729
"Wouldn't say they have a great relationship"?!? When did Reiss say that? He said that they have a good professional relationship, but it isn't like they all meet for dinner and drinks.
Question starts around 4:25. Answer (minus the "Ya know" stuff)
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I wouldn't say that they're getting together and having dinner and all that stuff and that it's great
The word "great" comes at 4:40
Also:
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"I'm not naive to say everything's great Greenie"
runs through 4:46.
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Originally Posted by Rob0729
Also you wrote in what you learned from the interview that Reiss said.....Which clearly contradicts Silver's piece that says that brady is upset with the situation or Graham's or Clayton's report that Brady is so upset with the situation that he might hold out.
You need to read Silver's piece again, because there's no contradiction there. Silver talks about "disconnect" and "cool distance", not "upset". That's certainly not contradicted by anything Reiss said. Now, what people read into the article might well be a different story....
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Brady declined to comment, saying he is uncomfortable discussing the subject.....some people close to Brady feel the organization isn’t displaying much urgency toward ensuring the latter.
I will give you that maybe Reiss doesn't know anymore than anyone else, but his interview does contradict a lot of what has been reported. Reiss could be wrong, but he clearly makes it sound that there is far less conflict between sides than reported.
Yes, Reiss takes the not coming into camp angry approach, while others seem to feel there's more discontent than does Reiss. However, listen to Reiss again, and read Silver's piece again, and I think you'll find that a lot of posters owe Mr. Silver an apology.
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