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You're presumption is that TO wouldn't make the team better therefore why take reps away from a youngster. The argument against this opinion is that TO would make the team better so therefore would justify taking reps away from the youngsters.
Frankly, after Moss (and Welker IF he's healthy), I don't see much strength in the receiving corps. Certainly, not enough to enter the season knowing for certain that it's a strong unit. The kid's, Price and Tate, are unknowns and Patten and Holt are treading on the wrong side of 30 and offer no certainty themselves.
My opinion is that TO could step onto this team and instantly be the 3rd best receiver on it, giving Welker the benefit of the doubt that he makes it back 100% healthy and perform to his recent level. This is not a certainty!
I agree with u man......after moss and welker ......a lot of question marks.......TO would not be bad signing at all....just need to make the rules very plain to him and see what happens
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For the most part, TO got a bad start here in Dallas because of a hamstring injury that limited him in TC, and as a result, Bledsoe didn't get many opportunities to work with him in terms of timing, connecting on routes, seeing how each other ticks, etc.
In wk1 of the 2006 season @Jax, Owens was wide open on a post for a TD in the 3rd qtr that would have given us a 7 pt lead, but Bledsoe missed him b/c obviously, they didn't have much time to work together in TC. And it was also a problem for that 1st qtr of the season, in particular Owens' "homecoming" to Philly, when Bledsoe mis-connected with him a couple of times for potential TDs.
No, not defending Bledsoe(although it was time, and rightly so, to give the reigns to Romo), but the timing aspect et al was just unfortunate, and it had nothing to do with TO disliking Parcells, and vice-versa.(the whole thing was overblown - if anything, remember the @Carolina game when TO and Parcells were smooching at the end on the sidelines)
And what didn't help either was Owens breaking his finger in wk2 when Sean Taylor popped him - he wasn't the same all year that he used to be in his career.
With that being said - I never thought he was as bad as the media and alot of the fans make him out to be. No, not exactly a model teammate, but no different from 1/2 of the people in this league who have a somewhat selfish egotistical side. Wade Phillips seemed to have liked him. Despite all the reports how Jason Garrett got headaches, I never once saw any hints from Garrett that he had a dislike for TO. And pretty much all these stories how he hated Jason Witten, how he conspired with Patrick Crayton and Roy Williams to get Garrett to get them involved in the offense more, etc, etc was nothing more than 3rd party rumors that got overtly played out.
Also - over on the Cowboys MB - I found it odd how the same people that blamed TO 99% for our Dec meltdowns from 2006 - 2008, in particular 2008, were also the same people who wanted Wade Phillips and Jason Garrett to get fired, who wanted Romo benched, who largely blamed our OL for all the offensive ills, who wanted Terrence Newman to get cut, who thought Pacman's antics ruined our season, the whole 9 yards. I mean it's either one or the other, can't have it both ways.
Plus in 2007 when SUPPOSEDLY Owens "may" have had some antics throughout the year, NOT ONE word out of even the anti-TO people not only from the CMB, but also from the Dallas sports media when we went 13-3. I mean if he's a headache, then come out and say it, instead of waiting a year later when everything starts to get into the crapper to come out and act like they somehow discovered this for the first time.
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For the most part, TO got a bad start here in Dallas because of a hamstring injury that limited him in TC, and as a result, Bledsoe didn't get many opportunities to work with him in terms of timing, connecting on routes, seeing how each other ticks, etc.
In wk1 of the 2006 season @Jax, Owens was wide open on a post for a TD in the 3rd qtr that would have given us a 7 pt lead, but Bledsoe missed him b/c obviously, they didn't have much time to work together in TC. And it was also a problem for that 1st qtr of the season, in particular Owens' "homecoming" to Philly, when Bledsoe mis-connected with him a couple of times for potential TDs.
Interesting to compare and contrast Owens' in Dallas with Moss' first year in New England. Moss also had a hamstring injury in training camp - many were speculating he would be cut before the season started. However in Moss' first game he caught 9 passes for 183 yards and a touchdown in a 38-14 victory over the Jets. Tough to say exactly how much of that is the difference between Brady and Bledsoe, the coaching staffs, the opponents, or Moss and Owens themselves.
Interesting to compare and contrast Owens' in Dallas with Moss' first year in New England. Moss also had a hamstring injury in training camp - many were speculating he would be cut before the season started. However in Moss' first game he caught 9 passes for 183 yards and a touchdown in a 38-14 victory over the Jets. Tough to say exactly how much of that is the difference between Brady and Bledsoe, the coaching staffs, the opponents, or Moss and Owens themselves.
In addition, there were other factors - Mike Vandergact got injured in TC, and was never the same K throughout the year. We started out the first couple of games with some no-name off the street, and he missed a critical FG in the 3rd qtr(after Bledsoe overthrew Owens for a sure TD), when that itself would have given us a 13-10 lead and momentum(instead, Jax drove right down the field to take a 17-10 lead).
Our LT Flozell Adams was recovering from a torn ACL from the year before, and was giving up sacks he usually doesn't(even to duck-footed Bledsoe). And with Julius Jones being a disappointment, and despite MB3's emergence, our running game wasn't very good(ie-Leonard Davis wasn't on the team yet, which was part of the problem with our bad run game).
And Owens' finger injury in wk2 made matters worse(he started dropping balls, something he never did before).
Overall, it was hard to say - the only good stretch Owens had was in Nov 2007 - 3 straight weeks against NFCE opponents, he just went on a tear. Against his former teammates at the Linc, at the Meadowlands, and he saved our tail against the Redskins when it looked like he Skins had control of that game lock and key. And of course, the critical Packers game at the end of the month. Outside of that, he was pretty quiet, for some reason.
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I wanna see it. Whether it works or not is secondary to me. I like high risk-high reward scenarios. And I like my athletes to be high profile blowhards anyway. And it would bring the media spotlight back onto The Pats because, let's face it, this team has been in Timbuktu as far as that's concerned since the 2nd game of 2008.
If the locker room blows up, so be it. At least it will be INTERESTING. Better than picking the depth order of the 53 man roster in the middle of July anyway. I don't know 'bout you, but I got MY popcorn ready. Better than watching Tate & Price. Those guys ain't gonna contribute that soon anyway. THIS year matters. The here and now. 2011 & onwards will take care of itself. It ain't THAT complicated.
Do it now, while The Pats still have some mojo left. Shake it 'tup. How'd '08 & '09 work out? Anyway, this team is DUE for a desperate measure. I like the wild card of T.O. Hey, better than being a BORING repeat of the last 2 years anyway. And that's why most people tune in... to be amused to see how teams play out every year. Look at the alternative. (how'd that pass rush need get filled?) Exactly.
You must have hated following the Pats in 2001 ...
For the most part, TO got a bad start here in Dallas because of a hamstring injury that limited him in TC, and as a result, Bledsoe didn't get many opportunities to work with him in terms of timing, connecting on routes, seeing how each other ticks, etc.
In wk1 of the 2006 season @Jax, Owens was wide open on a post for a TD in the 3rd qtr that would have given us a 7 pt lead, but Bledsoe missed him b/c obviously, they didn't have much time to work together in TC. And it was also a problem for that 1st qtr of the season, in particular Owens' "homecoming" to Philly, when Bledsoe mis-connected with him a couple of times for potential TDs.
No, not defending Bledsoe(although it was time, and rightly so, to give the reigns to Romo), but the timing aspect et al was just unfortunate, and it had nothing to do with TO disliking Parcells, and vice-versa.(the whole thing was overblown - if anything, remember the @Carolina game when TO and Parcells were smooching at the end on the sidelines)
And what didn't help either was Owens breaking his finger in wk2 when Sean Taylor popped him - he wasn't the same all year that he used to be in his career.
With that being said - I never thought he was as bad as the media and alot of the fans make him out to be. No, not exactly a model teammate, but no different from 1/2 of the people in this league who have a somewhat selfish egotistical side. Wade Phillips seemed to have liked him. Despite all the reports how Jason Garrett got headaches, I never once saw any hints from Garrett that he had a dislike for TO. And pretty much all these stories how he hated Jason Witten, how he conspired with Patrick Crayton and Roy Williams to get Garrett to get them involved in the offense more, etc, etc was nothing more than 3rd party rumors that got overtly played out.
Also - over on the Cowboys MB - I found it odd how the same people that blamed TO 99% for our Dec meltdowns from 2006 - 2008, in particular 2008, were also the same people who wanted Wade Phillips and Jason Garrett to get fired, who wanted Romo benched, who largely blamed our OL for all the offensive ills, who wanted Terrence Newman to get cut, who thought Pacman's antics ruined our season, the whole 9 yards. I mean it's either one or the other, can't have it both ways.
Plus in 2007 when SUPPOSEDLY Owens "may" have had some antics throughout the year, NOT ONE word out of even the anti-TO people not only from the CMB, but also from the Dallas sports media when we went 13-3. I mean if he's a headache, then come out and say it, instead of waiting a year later when everything starts to get into the crapper to come out and act like they somehow discovered this for the first time.
Well...this certainly explains Jerry reluctantly walking away from him after publicly backing him and promising him that would never happen...
TO may not have been as bad a teamate in Dallas as he was in Philly, but he was never a great teamate, it's just not in his DNA.
I wanna see it. Whether it works or not is secondary to me. I like high risk-high reward scenarios. And I like my athletes to be high profile blowhards anyway. And it would bring the media spotlight back onto The Pats because, let's face it, this team has been in Timbuktu as far as that's concerned since the 2nd game of 2008.
If the locker room blows up, so be it. At least it will be INTERESTING. Better than picking the depth order of the 53 man roster in the middle of July anyway. I don't know 'bout you, but I got MY popcorn ready. Better than watching Tate & Price. Those guys ain't gonna contribute that soon anyway. THIS year matters. The here and now. 2011 & onwards will take care of itself. It ain't THAT complicated.
Do it now, while The Pats still have some mojo left. Shake it 'tup. How'd '08 & '09 work out? Anyway, this team is DUE for a desperate measure. I like the wild card of T.O. Hey, better than being a BORING repeat of the last 2 years anyway. And that's why most people tune in... to be amused to see how teams play out every year. Look at the alternative. (how'd that pass rush need get filled?) Exactly.
I feel we maybe able to get a dillon type of motivated superbowl run out of him. Maybe playing on a dismal buffalo offense opened his mind that hey I need to get in line if I ever want to sniff a play off run again. If anyone can coach him it be BB. Also god knows we don't want the jets to beat us to the punch. Rex wouldn't care how he acted if he made plays. ps. If we draft Harvey Unga I feel we'd have the bruiser we need on short downs our offense would be very potent.
I'd pay to see the JETS beat us to the punch...especially in time for his cameo on Hard Knocks. Harvey Unga wasn't even worth more than a 7th in a shallow draft to BB...or anyone else. Honestly, the name recognition roster construction method is so pre Belichick....it's like some of you have been hold up in a cave for most of the last decade.
I would disagree that Dillon worked out "just fine" also. Sure, he had a GREAT year and helped in winning a superbowl. But judging from what people who cover the team have said, he caused his fair few amount of problems.
Also, really he had only one good year, years 2 and 3 were hardly anything to shout about
Owens is a different guy to Moss. Moss is immature and sulks. Owens is crazy and pretty much unstable
IMO, what Dillon gave us in 2004 is enough to make the trade a good one, regardless of what came after.
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