Miguel

I hate to start this thread but I just want to correct a misperception about Evans' contract.

Reports: Mankins turned down lucrative Pats' offer

Tom Curran wrote that "He got a seven-year, $56.1 million deal with $12 million up front and $19 million in the first year between salary and bonuses. He'll bank north of $30 million in the first three years of the deal. "

The fact of the matter is that Evans will get $25.6 million in the first three years of the deal.

$12,000,000 signing bonus. This bonus is prorated over 5 years or $2.4million per annum.
$7,000,000 2010 salary which is guaranteed, BTW, which is why you see some media reports that Evans got $19 million guaranteed
$3,000,000 salary in both 2011 and 2012
$200,000 offseason workout bonus money in 2010/2011/2012.

Evans will get $31.1 million over the last four years of the contract.

$7,200,000 salary in 2013
$6,800,000 salary in 2014
$6,800,000 salary in 2015
$8,000,000 salary in 2016
$500,000 roster bonus in 2014/2015/2016
$200,000 offseason workout bonus money in 2013/2014/2015/2016.

His cap numbers
$9,600,000 in 2010
$5,600,000 in 2011
$5,600,000 in 2012
$9,800,000 in 2013
$9,900,000 in 2014
$7,500,000 in 2015
$8,700,000 in 2016

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PATSNUTme

He will get $19,200,000 guaranteed $ or am I reading it wrong? If he should get cut, that is.

I know it's nothing official, but has anyone heard what Mankins was going to get in guaranteed $ with the Patriots offer?

Miguel

$19,000,000 since Jahri has to earn the offseason workout bonus money
I have not.

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captain stone

Thanks for the info, Miguel. My opinion that Mankin$ deserves only 3/4 of those $$s, max, hasn't changed.

In your opinion, Miguel, what would be a fair contract for both Mankin$ & the Pats?

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patfanken

Thanks for the CORRECT info on Jabri's contract, I heard similar reports to the Curran claim earlier the day. The bottom line here is what the Pats offered Mankins in guaranteed money and what he's looking at in the first 3 years of the contract.

Seven million per year would put him in the top 5 guys at his position. That's about where I see Mankins as a top 5 guy. My guess the sticking point is in the up front and guaranteed money. I doubt very much if it approached that $19MM mark for the first year.

Ian

I'm guessing that, along with the fact it was only for 5-years and not longer. I don't get where Baur feels they're 20-percent from Evans' deal - unless he's referring to the total dollar amount for the duration of the entire deal, instead of the average $$ per season.

Although I could be wrong, but I don't recall the Patriots doing that length of a deal like the one Evans got with anyone in recent years, with the exception for Drew Bledsoe's final contract (which was for 10-years) - although that likely would have never gone that far and would have been redone.

It's crazy to think that Bledsoe would be in the final year of his contract if he was still here in New England. How times have changed

But otherwise 5-years seems to be about the length they're giving guys these days (which is what Wilfork got). So I wonder if that was an issue as well...although we'll obviously never know.

(NOTE: Please don't turn this into a Bledsoe thread - please keep it contract related)

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Triumph

Id sure like to know.

7 mil per sounds great but NFL contracts are not guaranteed.

Miguel

Please note that I now think Mankins will not play again for the Patriots.

Five year deal.
$10,000,000 signing bonus. This bonus is prorated over 5 years or $2 million per annum.
$7,000,000 2010 salary which is guaranteed.
$4,000,000 salary in 2011 which would be guaranteed
$4,500,000 salary in 2012
$5,000,000 salary in 2013
$5,500,000 salary in 2014
$50,000 offseason workout bonus money all five years.

Under my proposal Mankins would get $25.565 million over the first 3 years of the contract - more than Evans. Mankins' APY would be $7.25 million and he would get more guaranteed money ($21 million) than Evans ($19 million)

His cap numbers
$9,050,000 in 2010
$6,050,000 in 2011
$6,550,000 in 2012
$7,050,000 in 2013
$7,550,000 in 2014

I based my numbers on
FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | Under the Cap: Top Ten Guards and Centers

While Evans is younger than Mankins, Mankins plays the more important position in my mind.

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xmarkd400x

It's sounding like the Pats offered Mankins quite the fair market deal. A deal that worked for both player and team.

And he was pissed off about it why? Maybe that 20% number is supposed to mean number of years. I don't see how he could get so angry about a deal that seems to be right in line with the rest of the league. Doesn't Mankins understand how the Pats work? They are NEVER EVER going to overpay for a player.

plk

For a reasonable hypothesis about what Mankins is so angry about see Mike Reiss' article

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If (1) Logan Mankins pushed to negotiate a long-term contract a year ago when he expected to be a free agent at this point, and (2) if he was put off and reassured by Kraft that the long-term contract would happen this year and waiting would not be to his disadvantage, and (3) if the Patriots are using the fact that he is now a RFA in the negotiations, then I don't blame Mankins for being very angry and feeling that Kraft behaved dishonestly.

I would be very disappointed in the Patriots organization and Kraft if the above is what happened.

Obviously, at this point, it is just a guess with no evidence to support it. It would, however, explain Mankins extreme reaction.