maverick4

The difference is when we got Beisel, Chiefs fans accurately described him as a bum last off-season. It seems like the same knowledgeable Chiefs fans are describing Warfield as a solid player.

Also, Beisel has never had major production - his best season was 2004 with 51 tackles. In contract, Warfield has been the Chiefs' #1 or #2 cornerback for several seasons and has generated solid numbers (see previous posts). The main concern I have is his legal/DUI problem. But, I think Warfield has the potential to play like Otis Smith did for us.

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DaBruinz

Really? Beisel never had major production? 51 tackles in 9 games playing at MLB isn't major production? Especially when he'd never played the position previously? WOW. I guess you learn something new every day </sarcasm>

How long did it take Bruschi to get "major production"? How about his 4th year when the Pats moved him to 4-3 OLB from 4-3 DE. Bruschi didn't start having GOOD production at the ILB position until 2003. And then it was his 2nd full year there.

So, can someone please explain why we would expect Beisel, who had NEVER played ANY LB position until 1 year prior to the Pats getting him, should have been expected to come in and learn an entirely new position (ILB) and be this great, outstanding player immediately? Especially when every knowledgable Pats fan admits that the Pats defense is one of the hardest and MOST COMPLEX defenses in the league? What am I missing here?

And no, I am not ignoring the fact that Beisel had issues with his tackling technique and seemed to avoid contact in some people's eyes.

maverick4

I'm not blaming Beisel. I just don't think he has the potential/makeup to progress like Bruschi did. I think this is besides the point. My response to the other poster was that Warfield has a better history of production. That's all.

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Pats726

A very good point...whic is why I still think MB will be OK. Expectations were way too high with him... As far as Warfield goes, the fact that he can play both CB/ S helps a lot. A nice signing...I know Starks was as well...but not all can be hits..Maybe they are a bit more cautious this year.

b72s

Otis Smith Redux

PatsFanInVa

Bruinz,

It looks like we both did the game logs from nfl.com. One of us added wrong on the Oakland game, but not appreciably. That one does look about as you describe (see my description.)

Interestingly, it looks like he's good, if he's not your shutdown corner. In KC, that was apparently supposed to be Wesley. He's the one you're afraid to throw at - but it looks like Warfield's the one you don't want to catch near. Looking through the other high-tackle game totals, the numbers are much better; he wasn't getting torched in the other two like he was in Oakland (if we assume every hit he made was on "his" man - that's why we need tape.)

You can look at the numbers and tell he's not a shutdown guy. If he was, there'd be no tackles. But at $10M a pop, a true shutdown corner might not be in the Pats' future.

I say, solid pickup, nothing to go "ooooh ahhhhh" over, but another role player, and downright cheap at that.

Could he blossom? We've got a couple of years to find out (possibly the hard way.)

PFnV