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sorry,but your confusing Cornerbacks and Nicklebacks........Hobbs was a RCB,generally covering the oppositions #2.........In this pairing,the LCB(Samuels,Revis,etc) covers the #1 receiver.......this is generally true as right-handed QB's prefer the right side line of sight,t0 the left side.Also,right handed receivers(the norm)prefer the right side.
To give him at least a little credit,Wilhite has played the harder LCB position,however ineptly.....while Wheatly has shown absolutely nothing during his interlude at RCB and NB.
What Wheatley and Wilhite don't have is "closing speed".......Bodden does,as does Darius Butler and hopefully Devin McCourty.Ellis Hobbs was one of the fastest straight-line corners,I've ever seen,but had little "closing" speed.
To show you an example of this:Cromartie of the Jets is the best "closer" in football,even better than Revis.......NEVER throw the 15 yd out against Cromartie.....I mean Never.However,he'll fall for a double-move pattern and is below par,if you can draw him towards the center of the field and make him cover and tackle laterally,not towards the sideline.
Revis is even better because it's "Death" to try to throw inside him.......he undercuts better than anyone.I'm anxious to see what the Jets will do,this year,if we line up Moss on the left side.Will they bring Revis over,as before?......If they do,Brady will lick his chops against Cromartie,outside his comfort zone.......can't wait.
owww, excellent thanks for that analysis
so who do u see us keeping for this upcoming season at the cb spot?
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This is a bit beyond exaggeration. Saying Wilhite got beat too much is one thing, can't really argue that. But he was NOT Duane Starks or Deltha O'Neal. He was rarely ever trailing 10-15 yards back (unless everyone else on the team was too). His problem was making a play on the ball, even though he was usually in pretty tight coverage.
He may never improve that, but let's not start talking like he was some disaster at corner last year.
He wasn't a disaster, but he was by no means a good CB either.
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Wheatley showed some glimmers of potential his rookie year before he broke his already surgically repaired wrist that already contained a steel rod (SHOCKER!) Wilhite has been mediocre to awful since he got a starting job, makes me wonder why we traded hobbs who wasn't nearly as bad and was a dynamite special teamer.
Wheatley was a healthy scratch for quite a few games last year. This whole "Wheatley showed flashes thing" I don't get. I've never seen him do anything. I remember watching them in training camp there rookie year thinking that even in drills Wilihite looked a lot better. I would be shocked if Wheatley makes the team.
Whose is better Wilhite or Hobbs is tough because they are so similar but I'd give it to Hobbs. I thought trading him was stupid because at the very least he was a top KR.
Keep in mind Hobbs was going up against opponents' number one WR, while Wheatley and Wilhite are up against other team's #3 and #4 WR when they occasionally get on the field.
Put it this way: if Hobbs is covering Aiken while Wheatley and Wilhite are covering Moss and Welker, which of those three corners is going to look best?
Incorrect.
Hobbs was not always up against the Opponents #1.
Wilhite has been manned up against the #2 and #3 WRs. And at times the #1 WR. Our players play the position, not the player. Not like the Jets who have Revis following the #1 WR everywhere.
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He wasn't a disaster, but he was by no means a good CB either.
He was certainly the weakest link in the secondary by far, I agree with you. Personally, I can understand those who say that Wilhite hasn't had enough time, and maybe that's true, but I'm missing those who say that he is going to be good. I'm also missing any comparions to E.Hobbs, who at worst was a viable nickle back, yet played just fine as a #2 CB. Hobbs had problems when Samuel left, and he was asked to be a #1 CB--and even then, he did better than Wilhite.
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Wheatley showed some glimmers of potential his rookie year before he broke his already surgically repaired wrist that already contained a steel rod (SHOCKER!) Wilhite has been mediocre to awful since he got a starting job, makes me wonder why we traded hobbs who wasn't nearly as bad and was a dynamite special teamer.
I'm guessing BB thought that he was expendable due to the younger CB's being defense ready + ST ready, but he was obviously wrong. After looking back through headlines and articles he often praised Hobbs, so I'm not convinced it was his play. The common mis-conception is that his contract was up after last yr, but he would've played 2 more years because he was just a RFA.
Wheatley was a healthy scratch for quite a few games last year. This whole "Wheatley showed flashes thing" I don't get. I've never seen him do anything. I remember watching them in training camp there rookie year thinking that even in drills Wilihite looked a lot better. I would be shocked if Wheatley makes the team.
Whose is better Wilhite or Hobbs is tough because they are so similar but I'd give it to Hobbs. I thought trading him was stupid because at the very least he was a top KR.
You can't be serious. Any comparisons of 2008 Hobbs to 2009 Wilhite are completely ridiculous.
Go to the site's infamous profootballfocus.com and compare the two. 2008 Hobbs was in the middle of the pack, while 2009 Wilhite is at the bottom.
If anything, Hobbs is a helluva lot closer to Bodden than he was to Wilhite. (and no, I'm not comparing the 2 in overall talent)
Plus, as others have pointed out, Hobbs was in the base lined up against #1's and #2's--while Wilhite was often in sub nickle/dime lined up against #2-#4's.
How about in the 06 AFCCG when Hobbs was green still, yet lined up on Reggie Wayne and batted away multiple balls in perfect coverage? (He obviously wasn't perfect the whole game, yet still held his own) There's absolutely no way that Wilhite can do that--yesterday, today, or tomorrow.
Plus, as others have pointed out, Hobbs was in the base lined up against #1's and #2's--while Wilhite was often in sub nickle/dime lined up against #2-#4's.
How about in the 06 AFCCG when Hobbs was green still, yet lined up on Reggie Wayne and batted away multiple balls in perfect coverage? (He obviously wasn't perfect the whole game, yet still held his own) There's absolutely no way that Wilhite can do that--yesterday, today, or tomorrow.
Wow, you must really like Ellis Hobbs, First, I agree that I think Hobbs is better than Wilhite, but the margin isn't great, Wilhite has only played two years so it's still reasonable to see improvement in 2010.
Reread your post, it's funny, like Hobbs is some great player. Last year he went to team with 2 good corners and got zero starts.
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