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***Bobs My Uncle*** · 03-22-2006, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by AndyJohnson

So your argument is we should sign him because if we sign him that means BB thinks he is good????
Thats a pretty circular argument.

My argument is that if BB believes he can addn LA, and then utilize him in such a way that it'll be worth what it cost to sign him, then I'm all for it because he knows this biz much better than I do.

Who am I, or anyone for that matter, to say otherwise?

***shmessy*** · 03-22-2006, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by AndyJohnson

Are you honestly telling me Arrington deserved to go to pro-bowls?
You think 22.5 sacks in 6 years is good?

Check out what Willie McG did. Its miles ahead of Arrington.

If Arrington isnt a bust why did his team bench him? Why did they not want him at this age? Why does he have 1 sack in thye last 2 years?

Andy, I respect you as one who has for a longtime brought much excellent insight to you posts, but in this thread I feel you are being more than a bit disingenuous with implying that he was benched because of performance.

I live in MD and EVERYONE here knows that was done as a vendetta from the estimable Mr. Snyder. When your employer is being sued by you for $6million and is being called a liar by you, and when the FO is e-mailing local journalists before the season.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...rington/1.html

"Under the agreement, if Arrington made the Pro Bowl in two of the next four years, he could become a free agent unless Washington paid $3.25 million -- half the disputed money. So at the very least, this official seemed to indicate the team would let Arrington depart, regardless of whether he flourished. At the most, something beyond X's was occurring at Redskins Park. Why would someone close to Snyder not want his star player to succeed? And how brash -- or reckless -- was it to e-mail a reporter, even if there was an understanding that the sender wouldn't be quoted?

So when Arrington went from being Mr. Redskin to Mr. Irrelevant last season, the e-mail stuck in my mind."

There is so much else in that article that those of us here in the DC area have seen the past few years. Please read it.

This is a very mature, thoughtful and talented individual who, with the right system can fit in and take the Patriots defense (with that DL in front of him!) to an incredible level.

Garbanza · 03-22-2006, 10:39 AM

I think Arrington would be a fine addition to the Patriots. Funny how some are poo-poohing this potential signing, but Caldwell was a great signing? You want to talk bust? Take a look at Caldwell....

***mgcolby*** · 03-22-2006, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by AndyJohnson

Are you honestly telling me Arrington deserved to go to pro-bowls?
You think 22.5 sacks in 6 years is good?

Check out what Willie McG did. Its miles ahead of Arrington.

If Arrington isnt a bust why did his team bench him? Why did they not want him at this age? Why does he have 1 sack in thye last 2 years?

Injuries in 2004 and hardly played last year because he fell out of favor with Greg Williams. Seems like a likely reason to me, you have to be on the field to get sacks, correct?

Through willies first five season's (he missed 4 games in 97 and 7 in 98, so that is comparable to Arrington's first 4 season's) he had 260 tackles and 30.5 sacks games played 68

Through Arrington's first 4 seasons he had 334 tackles and 21.5 sacks games played 62.

How was Willie miles ahead of him?

***mgcolby*** · 03-22-2006, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by shmessy

Andy, I respect you as one who has for a longtime brought much excellent insight to you posts, but in this thread I feel you are being more than a bit disingenuous with implying that he was benched because of performance.

I live in MD and EVERYONE here knows that was done as a vendetta from the estimable Mr. Snyder. When your employer is being sued by you for $6million and is being called a liar by you, and when the FO is e-mailing local journalists before the season.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...rington/1.html

"Under the agreement, if Arrington made the Pro Bowl in two of the next four years, he could become a free agent unless Washington paid $3.25 million -- half the disputed money. So at the very least, this official seemed to indicate the team would let Arrington depart, regardless of whether he flourished. At the most, something beyond X's was occurring at Redskins Park. Why would someone close to Snyder not want his star player to succeed? And how brash -- or reckless -- was it to e-mail a reporter, even if there was an understanding that the sender wouldn't be quoted?

So when Arrington went from being Mr. Redskin to Mr. Irrelevant last season, the e-mail stuck in my mind."

There is so much else in that article that those of us here in the DC area have seen the past few years. Please read it.

This is a very mature, thoughtful and talented individual who, with the right system can fit in and take the Patriots defense (with that DL in front of him!) to an incredible level.

I forgot about the Snyder deal, I generally don't read much news from the Post because their entire Sports section has ron borges syndrome for Dan Snyder.

They way he handled himself in the media throughout the entire situation, was very respectable.

nickw308810 · 03-22-2006, 11:20 AM

Does anyone remember the play when he was at Penn. State and he jumped OVER the offensive lineman?

***AndyJohnson*** · 03-22-2006, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Bobs My Uncle

My argument is that if BB believes he can addn LA, and then utilize him in such a way that it'll be worth what it cost to sign him, then I'm all for it because he knows this biz much better than I do.

Who am I, or anyone for that matter, to say otherwise?

Well you could use that for any player. It seems you were touting Arrington not saying he is a non-descript player and BB will do whats best.
That would be offering no opinion on the player, but an opinion that BB knows all.

That seems different than what you did, comparing him to LT and all.

***AndyJohnson*** · 03-22-2006, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by mgcolby

Injuries in 2004 and hardly played last year because he fell out of favor with Greg Williams. Seems like a likely reason to me, you have to be on the field to get sacks, correct?

Through willies first five season's (he missed 4 games in 97 and 7 in 98, so that is comparable to Arrington's first 4 season's) he had 260 tackles and 30.5 sacks games played 68

Through Arrington's first 4 seasons he had 334 tackles and 21.5 sacks games played 62.

How was Willie miles ahead of him?

Umm, Arrington has played 6 seaons.
Do the last 2 simply not count because they dont support your argument?

How is 'falling out of favor' with coaches a positive excuse?

We do realize that he was benched because he wouldnt carry out his assignment on play calls, right?

***AndyJohnson*** · 03-22-2006, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shmessy

Andy, I respect you as one who has for a longtime brought much excellent insight to you posts, but in this thread I feel you are being more than a bit disingenuous with implying that he was benched because of performance.

I live in MD and EVERYONE here knows that was done as a vendetta from the estimable Mr. Snyder. When your employer is being sued by you for $6million and is being called a liar by you, and when the FO is e-mailing local journalists before the season.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...rington/1.html

"Under the agreement, if Arrington made the Pro Bowl in two of the next four years, he could become a free agent unless Washington paid $3.25 million -- half the disputed money. So at the very least, this official seemed to indicate the team would let Arrington depart, regardless of whether he flourished. At the most, something beyond X's was occurring at Redskins Park. Why would someone close to Snyder not want his star player to succeed? And how brash -- or reckless -- was it to e-mail a reporter, even if there was an understanding that the sender wouldn't be quoted?

So when Arrington went from being Mr. Redskin to Mr. Irrelevant last season, the e-mail stuck in my mind."

There is so much else in that article that those of us here in the DC area have seen the past few years. Please read it.

This is a very mature, thoughtful and talented individual who, with the right system can fit in and take the Patriots defense (with that DL in front of him!) to an incredible level.

I accept your side of it. I just do not agree.
All the articles in the world won't convince me that when the Redskins were on a playoff run, and Joe Gibbs benched him, that it has to do with anything but performance. And his on the field play has not been good prior to that.

We are on opposite sides.
I choose not to accept explanations. You choose to, and feel very highly about him.

Thats fine. This is a gray area, and one of us is right and one is wrong, but we will not know until he goes somewhere.

Do you dispute by the way, that Arrington purposely refused to carry out his assignments? If Im not mistaken he said that himself. For me, thats the beginning and end of the story.

***mgcolby*** · 03-22-2006, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by AndyJohnson

Umm, Arrington has played 6 seaons.
Do the last 2 simply not count because they dont support your argument?

How is 'falling out of favor' with coaches a positive excuse?

We do realize that he was benched because he wouldnt carry out his assignment on play calls, right?

Umm he missed 12 games in 2004 and barely played last year, I used comparable seasons with Willie who was "miles ahead of him" which included 6 more games played and he had 9 more sacks. That is not exactly "miles ahead".

What do you know about Arrington other then what you heard or read about last season? Obviously nothing, if you think he is a bad locker room guy or undisciplined. The guy was the toast of DC for 4 years and then he gets benched his first healthy season after that. But he did manage to get some playing time during the playoffs in some pretty big situations, but that is an understandable thing to do for a guy who blows assignments all the time!
Face it, you don't like him because of the perception about him and to call him a bust is a flat out joke.