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***patsinthesnow*** · 03-07-2010, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DonBlackmon55

Jared Allen
93 Career Games.......72.0 sacks.....21 forced Fumbles
oh by the way.....61 Career Games as KC Chief (****ty team).....43.0 sacks

TBC
98 Career Games.....22.5 sacks, of which 10.0 were in 2009 season. So before this year he played 82 games and had a grand total of 12.5 sacks. And a grand total of 3 FF in 98 Games.

Now, you can lay down the crack pipe your smoking and get back to reality.

It's about what he does now, players can improve....

How about this:

James Harrison

91 Career Games....38.5 sacks, of which 26 came in the last two years. (DPOY 2008) So before 2008, he had a grand total of 12.5 sacks in 6 years, while being cut with the Steelers in between.

DonBlackmon55 · 03-07-2010, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by patsinthesnow

It's about what he does now, players can improve....

How about this:

James Harrison

91 Career Games....38.5 sacks, of which 26 came in the last two years. (DPOY 2008) So before 2008, he had a grand total of 12.5 sacks in 6 years, while being cut with the Steelers in between.

Well great, bring the argument when TBC makes it as DPOY. James Harrison has done it in 2007, 2008, 2009, and has 19 FF

To put TBC into Jared Allen, Peppers league is beyond stupidity.

TBC will be 30 yr old starting the 2010 season.

patsfan-1982 · 03-07-2010, 07:05 PM

good number he did a good job last year if he can put up the same number this year with. a few rookie OLB in the mix helping him out the pass rush should be better.

kurtinelson · 03-07-2010, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by makoute

So according to this TBC is better than Jared Allen and Dwight Freeny at getting to the QB?

Or did I read it wrong?

No. TBC is not a better player than Allen or Freeney. The point of these statistics is to show that the Pats are getting good value from a cap standpoint at a position that usually requires big money.

The Allen's cap hit last year was $11,663,674. Freeney's was $11,220,520. TBC's was in the $2 million range.

kurtinelson · 03-07-2010, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DonBlackmon55

By your analysis TBC is far greater a player than Seymour, when we know Big Sey was the primary target of double teams.

Of course I'm not saying TBC is better than Seymour. I'm talking about 4-3 DEs and 3-4 OLBs, sack totals, and how much teams typically need to spend at that position to get production.

jsull87 · 03-07-2010, 08:23 PM

I think it's great work and interesting stats and i haven't read all the posts so i don't know if anyone has brought it up yet but... I would be interested to know how many times each of the people and TBC were double teamed in those rushes. Also a lot of the people you mentioned e.g freeny and peppers made holes for other d linemen as the other team had to game plan around them. not to take anything away from TBC or the ststs you have provided i just thing there is just a little more to it.

I also agree the TBC has been great value for money for his production

crowell33 · 03-07-2010, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Sleeping King

I hate to downplay the significance of doing well against a division rival but TBC did have half of his sacks in the two games against Buffalo.

I'm certainly glad he is back but you are mentioning him in the same sentence as some elite pass rushers.

That is often the way sacks come. For instance Richard Seymour had 4 sacks last season. He had 2 in 2 separate games, and 14 games with zero sacks.

***AndyJohnson*** · 03-07-2010, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DonBlackmon55

Jared Allen
93 Career Games.......72.0 sacks.....21 forced Fumbles
oh by the way.....61 Career Games as KC Chief (****ty team).....43.0 sacks

TBC
98 Career Games.....22.5 sacks, of which 10.0 were in 2009 season. So before this year he played 82 games and had a grand total of 12.5 sacks. And a grand total of 3 FF in 98 Games.

Now, you can lay down the crack pipe your smoking and get back to reality.

But we are talking about how productive he was in 2009. Prior years have nothing to do with that

JFK · 03-08-2010, 07:35 AM

I love B-Cain but teams game plan for and double team those guys you compared him with.

DonBlackmon55 · 03-08-2010, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by AndyJohnson

But we are talking about how productive he was in 2009. Prior years have nothing to do with that

Last year Roddy White had more yards than Larry Fitzgerald, and about same # TD. So, by that theory Roddy White is more productive since past years, or how Fitzgerald is account by other D's has nothing to do with it.

LOL. You amuse me