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Old 02-14-2010, 09:06 AM   #31
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Do you think Guyton played well enough there to keep the starting spot with Mayo if he does go w/ the 3-4 again?
If we were to base it just on this year, I'd have Guyton higher than Mayo. Honestly.

Mayo just wasn't the same guy he was as a rookie, and hopefully the knee continues to get better.

But yeah, Guyton is a good starter at this point.
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Old 02-14-2010, 09:09 AM   #32
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Regardless of what happens, I don't want to see Green back.

To my eyes, he simply isn't worth what they're paying him at this point, since he's unable to get any pass rush and is a complete liability against the run. In retrospect, the assumption that Green would be a suitable replacement remains one of the most baffling aspects of the Seymour trade.
I don't think that was assumed at all, by anyone in hte organization, especially condisering that Wright got more playing time than Green from the moment Seymour left.
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Guyton has never been a starting quality linebacker. Hopefully, BB will either look for Guyton's replacement season, even if it's a platooning situation (Guyton as a situational player on passing downs), or McKenzie will impress so much that he takes the job and remains healthy.
Dues, is this assesment based on the same data that you carefully explained to me prove Brett Favre is not interception prone? Or are you just making shut up?


Guyton could start on probably a dozen teams in the NFL. Hes not just starting quality at this point, hes good.
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Dues, is this assesment based on the same data that you carefully explained to me prove Brett Favre is not interception prone? Or are you just making shut up?


Guyton could start on probably a dozen teams in the NFL. Hes not just starting quality at this point, hes good.
We must have been watching different games (or focusing on different players) this year. Guyton seems to be a hard worker and seems to understand the defense well for a second year guy. Definitely needs a lot of improvement versus the run as a 3-4 ILB in my opinion.

Edit: and for the millionth time I'm going to say that he seems much better suited for the outside in the 3-4.

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We must have been watching different games (or focusing on different players) this year. Guyton seems to be a hard worker and seems to understand the defense well for a second year guy. Definitely needs a lot of improvement versus the run as a 3-4 ILB in my opinion.

Edit: and for the millionth time I'm going to say that he seems much better suited for the outside in the 3-4.
Guyton isn't perfect against the run, but hes fantastic in coverage. In today's NFL, thats much more important.
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Guyton isn't perfect against the run, but hes fantastic in coverage. In today's NFL, thats much more important.
I'm having a hard time remembering, but who ended up covering Dallas Clark most of the time against Indy? Was it McGowan, Guyton, or Mayo?
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I'm having a hard time remembering, but who ended up covering Dallas Clark most of the time against Indy? Was it McGowan, Guyton, or Mayo?
So to be fair in our assessment we'll measure a Linebacker's coverage skill against a Safeties?
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The Patriots substitute a lot and play a chess game, especially on third down. This hasn't worked out so well as their 3rd down efficiency on defense has been consistently poor. I can see running guys on and off the field to keep them fresh, but when you collect a group of specialists and 2-down players it makes your defense easier to read based on who is on the field. It also exposes match-ups that the opponent quickly exploits by isolating an inferior player and picking up an easy first down. It would be nice if the Patriots could have more 3-down players and have flexibility without massive substitutions.
Too true. Esp. QB's like Peyton who go to a hurry-up to prevent substitutions. The only defense against it is a better pass rush. Willie McG made this system work.
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I don't think that was assumed at all, by anyone in hte organization, especially condisering that Wright got more playing time than Green from the moment Seymour left.
That's not a very convincing defense, considering that Wright, while better than Green, is not a suitable replacement for Seymour. And neither is a platoon of Wright/Green.
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That's not a very convincing defense, considering that Wright, while better than Green, is not a suitable replacement for Seymour. And neither is a platoon of Wright/Green.
So?


Theres no one in the NFL who is a suitable replacement for Seymour. He's a first ballot Hall of Famer.

He wasn't coming back though, so the question is, is a high first round pick worth one year of him? I say Hell Yeah.


The defense didn't lose the game against baltimore.
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