Bob Cryin: Manning is the better QB (from 1/31/2010) - Page 2 - New England Patriots Forums

omahacolt · 01-31-2010, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Willie55

Brady had the upper hand for the first five years or so, now the last couple Manning has been better.

All in all, they're both great QB's but would give Brady the edge just because of Super Bowl wins.

teams win super bowls

not qb's

you have to look at players for what they do and what they are capable of.

***Joker*** · 01-31-2010, 01:20 PM

well..Brady played under rules that were in effect for FORTY YEARS...since the Willie Brown/Jack Tatum/Lester Hayes days...the only thing outlawed was stickum...then AFTER Peytie Pouter LOST time and again to defenses that knocked his receivers off their blocks, Polian, using his clout on the rules committee, changed the passing rules four straight years in a row until they are what they are TODAY....custom made for Peyton's game and designed and pushed through and implemented by Bill Polian.

Therefore, even though Peyton Manning is NOW the best QB in the NFL, it really doesn't mean anything to anybody who's been a fan for a long period of time....as ANYONE saw...he couldn't play under the rules that truly great QB's like Montana,Young,Aikman,Bradshaw or Brady...in fact, he couldn't even approximate a Trent Dilfer.

So bang the cow bell, Dolt fan and har-yuck and knee slap your way down to the Hog Heaven Jamboree singing Camptown Races - Doo Dah...finally, your Paid-To-Fix-The-Rules-ning is number 1

omahacolt · 01-31-2010, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Teenuh

Who has more SB rings? Who has the record for most TDs in a season? And then there is the fact that Manning has always had great WRs to throw the ball to and for most of his career, Brady had to make average WRs better than they actually were. Sorry, Troy. But its true. :P If Manning didn't have people like Harrison and then Wayne to throw the ball to, and if he didn't have arguably the best offensive line in the league protecting him, his stats wouldn't be so great.

he doesnt have close to the best line in the league protecting him

Fball · 01-31-2010, 01:29 PM

"Rings" isn't the greatest argument, on its own. Bradshaw is better than either, if that's the case (love Terry, but he isn't better than either).

With the emergence of Collie & Garcon, it also bolsters the argument that any receiver is going to look pretty great with Manning under center.

It's interesting the Brady's best postseason success came at a time when he didn't have the marquee receivers he has now...

***tanked_as_usual*** · 01-31-2010, 01:32 PM

I have no problems with the notion that manning is the better QB

but this issue gets way overblown

PATRIOTSFANINPA · 01-31-2010, 01:32 PM

Manning is and has been better than Brady for the past 5 years....not by a lot but I don't know how you can argue with this.

Manning almost took this team with 2 no name 3 and 4th receivers this year to what should have been a 18-0 looking at 19-0 season....and not to mention WITH NO RUNNING GAME AT ALL.

Brady has been steady but Manning has been better and if he gets ring #2 next week,the debate gets even stronger.

On a Patriots web site you can't expect nothing but 'the writer is nuts' when Manning is proclaimed better,so this thread is biased and a waste of time IMO

L Bizzle · 01-31-2010, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Fball

It's interesting the Brady's best postseason success came at a time when he had a incredible defense with future hall of famers that lead the team

fixed. 10 char

L Bizzle · 01-31-2010, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Teenuh

How often does Manning get sacked or even touched? In fact, how often do you even see rushers actually break through the line before the pass is thrown?

I also noticed you didn't touch the WR comment.

You can't argue that Manning had waaaaaaaaay better WRs until Moss and Welker came along.

I actually can and will argue that Manning makes his receivers look much better than they actually are. Heard of Garcon and Collie???

And go ahead and name just ONE colts receiver or tight end who had any amount of success that was close to what they had on the Colts once they left?

Mongo Heathen · 01-31-2010, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Joker

well..Brady played under rules that were in effect for FORTY YEARS...since the Willie Brown/Jack Tatum/Lester Hayes days...the only thing outlawed was stickum...then AFTER Peytie Pouter LOST time and again to defenses that knocked his receivers off their blocks, Polian, using his clout on the rules committee, changed the passing rules four straight years in a row until they are what they are TODAY....custom made for Peyton's game and designed and pushed through and implemented by Bill Polian.

Therefore, even though Peyton Manning is NOW the best QB in the NFL, it really doesn't mean anything to anybody who's been a fan for a long period of time....as ANYONE saw...he couldn't play under the rules that truly great QB's like Montana,Young,Aikman,Bradshaw or Brady...in fact, he couldn't even approximate a Trent Dilfer.

So bang the cow bell, Dolt fan and har-yuck and knee slap your way down to the Hog Heaven Jamboree singing Camptown Races - Doo Dah...finally, your Paid-To-Fix-The-Rules-ning is number 1

...Man, I gotta agree with 'Joker'. Until Polian won his case with the competition committee and had the Pat's secondary handcuffed with the 'Manning Rule' (no mugging receivers after 5 yards), Peyton had all kinds of grief dealing with the Pats. Polian has had an ax to grind for years and done everything he could (and can) to knock down the Pats. His team couldn't do it on the field, so he did it off field. Brady has worked with a collection of misfits and castoffs for receivers (anybody heard from Branch? How about Caldwell? What about Patten once he went to NO?...) almost his entire career, and made them work. Manning has had a luxury existence for a QB. Before we pass judgement on who's better, let's see what Manning does under the same circumstances that Brady's performed under, otherwise - they're both in the same argument and are equal. Nonetheless - if I had my druthers - I'd still pick Brady any time any day.

L Bizzle · 01-31-2010, 01:48 PM

probably last post before Czar Ian ultimately comes and removes me from the discussion

Just the fact that the majority of Pats fans are now forced to concede that Tom/Peyton are atleast "equal" shows how much the tides have turned in the last few years between the Colts Patriots rivalry..... If Peyton and Tom ever end up with the same amount of rings but Peyton clearly still has superior stats will any of you officially jump over to the other side of the fence?